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We Are the Government, But Where Are We Going? Is the Political Right On A Downward Path?

Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem. RONALD REAGAN, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981

It’s a funny thing to hear certain citizens vehemently criticizing the government, whether it’s federal, state or local. They treat the government as some sort of separate entity from themselves. Our federal and state governments are constitutionally set up as republican democracies, whereas, we control it directly through our elected representatives and executives. By treating government as a separate entity, they claim that they are not a part of it and the only relationship that they have is that of an unwilling victim under the weight of an oppressive government, whether it’s from taxes, regulations or restrictive laws. Does that mean we are being victimized by ourselves?  Isn’t this actually removing oneself from responsibility and accountability by claiming the role of victim?

From our earliest beginnings on this continent, people came here to pursue opportunity and freedom from repressive established societies, which restricted the pursuit of their human potential. We have been inculcated from birth to resist restrictions, pursuing free expression and direction, but at the same time to constantly maintain personal and social order, thus achieving the security and protection of the group. This has led to two distinct values; one being that of the sovereign individual and the other the sovereignty of the group or community. This creates conditions that can create friction and conflict. Effective mediation between the two is usually accomplished through a process of assimilation, accommodation and learning to compromise between the two values. However, society has implemented an overriding structure to assure mediation through balancing the needs of conflicting interests. We call this instrument of organization and mediation; government.

We, as a species, are communal by nature. Over the course of history, our main adaptive survival mechanism has been social structure. An ordered, protective and adaptive social structure has been found to be the most effective and efficient means to guarantee survival of the fittest and the passing on of our genetic legacy.  Over time the instruments of living together have developed and taken the form of morality, ethics, traditions, folkways, technology, etc. These varied instruments are the adaptations placed on us by our responding to physical environment and our pursuit of both individual and species survival. Attempting to survive on our own will only render limited success, until we are finally overcome by old age, physical disaster or disease. At that point we cease to exist, including our genetic line.

In my view, the United States was founded on satisfying the individual and social needs of three primary groups:

  1. The emerging rich mercantile and banking class (engaged in smuggling against the East India Company and the British Crown) of the Mid-Atlantic and New England colonies.
  2. The aristocratic planters of the Southern colonies.
  3. The yeomen farmers, craftsmen, and retailers.

There was a fourth group that was pretty much out of the control of organized government; the frontiersmen, settlers beyond the Alleghenies and the Northwest Territory.

Our form of government came straight out of the thinking of the Age of Enlightenment and Reason. The country was formed by the educated and enlightened members of the rich mercantile and planter classes. There vision of government included meeting the needs of society while assuring the needs of the individual. Therefore, they created a limited government with its own internal checks and balances. But, in so doing they also cast the seeds for derision, conflict and a cyclic pattern of power between the two primary divisions, personal sovereignty and communal sovereignty.

EXCLUSION verses INCLUSION

In the beginning our government was formed and controlled by an extremely small group of rich, native born, white landowners. These were the only ones who could seek national political office and vote. I call this the Governmental Exclusion Phase, where more individuals and groups were excluded than were included. This lasted until the War Between the States abolished the vile institution of slavery. From the Civil War onward we abandoned our government of exclusion to move to a government of inclusion. Over the last one hundred and fifty years we have moved to more and more inclusion of selective groups into full citizenship with the right to vote and to hold political office. This has lowered the barriers to include non-whites, women, etc. This is definitely a sovereign community action. As more groups are included the role of government has needed to be broadened.

When the nation was formed, the population was estimated at around 4.0 million. During the first presidential election, the electorate only numbered 38,818. In the upcoming 2012 election, the population is somewhere around 311 million and around 200 million plus eligible to vote.  This represents a wide diverse spectrum of special interests. The net result is, as the population has grown, so has the demands placed on the government.   

When one looks at the history of our nation and the ebb and flow of support for community sovereignty or support for personal sovereignty, you soon begin to see patterns emerge. The most prominent cycle is the movement back and forth between conservatism and liberalism. This cycle is normally somewhere between 30 to 35 years. A much longer cycle is the cycle between personal sovereignty and communal sovereignty movement. This seems to mirror changes in the change in economic cycles. If we look at both cycles, it is logical to conclude that we will soon leave the conservatism launched by Ronald Reagan and a new focus on economics as indicated by the Great Recession. We had a change in economic systems at the close of the Great Depression. Now what does that have to do with government direction?

I think we reached the zenith of political conservatism in 2010. As the conservative movement begins its long journey toward its nadir, the nature of government will again be redefined. The government to come will be one where nagging problems will finally be addressed, such as a single payer healthcare. I also see a change in the approach to education, with post secondary education being picked up by the government. Also, entitlement programs will be changed to become real training to work movements for those able to work. At present we have absolutely no idea of the long range impact on the Information Age on the government. Government will use information technology to modify the bureaucracies to become more responsive and user friendly to the citizenry. We can expect a new fifty year cycle of communal sovereignty focused government.

To counter Ronald Reagan’s famous quote from his inaugural speech in 1981; “government is the problem” has now been revealed to be false, extreme political conservatism is the problem.

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Lyle Ruble September 22, 2012 at 06:13 pm
@Brian Dey...Well thought response; however, if we are in actuality the government, then how is it we have separated ourselves? What is the element that is independent from ourselves? I see much of the complaint against government as complaints against the massive bureaucracies. There is a separation between the legislative action with the original intent of the law, the regulations developed to govern the legislation, and the bureaucracy to implement and oversee it. When people talk about government as being too large, it is usually in reference to the bureaucracy charged with implementation and oversight. This is the precise point where the constitution functions; protection of individual rights verses protection of the will of the people. It is almost impossible for the size of government (bureaucracy) to be reduced for a nation with a size of 311 million citizens and provide services and oversight. If we are going to continue as one nation, then the solution must come from information technology.
Smaller government entities have not worked, such as state governments, since not all states are created equal and have equal access to resources. For example: compare the state governments of Massachusetts to the that of Mississippi. By any measure, Massachusetts is extremely wealthy compared to Mississippi. As expected, the level and quality of services available to citizens of Massachusetts is greater than those that can be offered in Mississippi. (continued)
Lyle Ruble September 22, 2012 at 06:16 pm
(continued) Brian Dey....Therefore, consistent with our constitution and the legislative will, to provide the poorer Mississippi with the same benefits, then they must be supplemented by the federal government. This new federalism was enacted by Richard Nixon.
Michael McClusky September 22, 2012 at 06:53 pm
@Hoffa What our Founding Fathers were arguing about was human nature. Without getting too philosophical, my question to you is: how does a society detect and detain the bad apples without hindering everyone else's lives? I distrust government immensely, but the practical questions of law and civil rights are still with us today. Where do we set the bar?
Bruce Brewer September 22, 2012 at 06:55 pm
Gear head....conservatism these days is the far right, religious zealots that are no better than the terrorist. I don't know about you, but I was here when conservatism protected people and was fair to people. This is not what we have these days. You blame Obama instead of the "do nothing congress" that write and vote on the bills for any president to sign. I'm at less glad that Obama did use some executive mandates. He has done more than congress has. And if you think any president gets all these things done, I would only say ignorance is bliss.
Brian Dey September 22, 2012 at 07:37 pm
Lyle- At least from my perspective, it is not the bureaucrats, but scope of what the federal government has evolved to. The federal government the bureaucracy on exists because the federal government expanded its scope.
As I have stated, I am clearly on the side of Jefferson; while a federal or centralized governtment is a neccessity, it needs to be limited in its scope. The scope, set forth by the Declaration of Independence, was that the federal government need be more concerned to foreign affairs, national defense and immigration, as well as a centralized currency. All other matters were to be determined by the individual states. We have long gone down that slippery slope of justification of the expanded role as pooling resources, however with getting those resources, the federal government became the arbitor of what is fair and unfair and as a way to enforce it, placed many restrictions or mandates to tap into those pooled resources. Education is just one example. The federal government has provide funding for local school districts through state goverments. With those came certain mandates, which in most cases, cost more than the funding they were receiving.
Lyle Ruble September 22, 2012 at 08:29 pm
@Michael McClusky, Brian Dey & JRH....I feel the need to challenge all three of you as to your descriptions of the founders and its current political manifestations. Much of the philosophy and positions of Hamilton, Madison and Jefferson can be traced to their early beginnings. However, all three were great minds and talents and together contributed to a system, although often flawed, has worked for over 230 years. All three were capable of adaptation and change to meet the change in conditions that were encountered. For instance; Hamilton, would be today considered a ideological fiscal conservative. To identify him with the current Democratic Party is misinformed. Brian Dey called Madison a "Belt Way" Republican, but he only came to understand that ideology is one thing but it is another to govern, requiring the art of compromise. In that way he seems to reflect three separate political ideologies, with the final ideology being his greatest lessons on proper governance. Jefferson, on the other hand, contributes to both democratic populism and property based elitism. To be more correct, the current Tea Party ideology is more like that of Andrew Jackson rather than that of Thomas Jefferson. If you want to understand your roots, read Jackson and his contemporaries. When you make generalizations about history, be prepared to be challenged.
James R Hoffa September 22, 2012 at 08:54 pm
@Lyle -
I guess you missed the part wherein Hoffa and McClusky expressly limited their comparison of Hamilton and today's Democratic Party to their sentiments about their fellow man. We never went into matters of fiscal policy. We were merely comparing the singular trait. Of course all men are made up of many parts, including our founders. But Hoffa agrees with you that the system was intentionally designed to promote a struggle between differing ideologies, as our founders, although united in their cause, all came to the table with differing bends, and it was the only way in which all could be satisfied and willing to sign on with the result. In other words, our founding documents were intentionally vague and ambiguous. And the struggle between ideologies continues. It's just a lot more prevalent in this election than it otherwise has been in quite some time.
James R Hoffa September 22, 2012 at 09:00 pm
@Bruce Brewer -
The House, ever since returning to Republican control, has been piling up a huge backlog of bills for the Senate to consider, and yet you claim it is the fault of the "do nothing Congress." Yeah, OK! Try the Democratically controlled 'do nothing Senate,' and a President whose leadership is so poor that he can't even garner a single vote of support from his own party on his proposed budget, so he just gives up. It's time for real hope and change! ROMNEY/RYAN 2012!!!
Brian Dey September 22, 2012 at 09:20 pm
Lyle- On Jefferson as it relates to the TEA Party, he clearly was for a balanced budget, lower taxes, smaller federal government, no deficit spending and more state autonomy from the federal government. That is the very foundation of the beginnings of the TEA Party, which was originally an acronym for "Taxed Enough Already."
Hamilton on the other hand, saw the federal government as a way to protect people from themselves. He thought that the general population needed a more centralized government, rather than be left to their own demise. Also fiscally conservative, but more on involvement into peronal well-being of the citzentry. Democrats, at least since FDR, have generally been in this camp. Madison, in may ways was the go between. Believed that both Hamilton and Jefferson made valid points and governed from more a centrist stance to both philosophies. Also a fiscal conservative. Why I compare Madison to the Beltway Republicans is that theBeltway's are not comfortable in the new expectations of the TEA Party but realize that as a growing segment of their voting base, they must appease them. Although, in this election cycle, the Beltways won out on the nominee as Romney clearly governed as a moderate in Mass., which is a role the Beltways are more comfortable with.
Michael McClusky September 22, 2012 at 09:53 pm
@Lyle There is a famous account about Jefferson when he was elderly and out of politics. Someone said to him that the country had become more of what Hamilton would have wanted than what Jefferson had envisioned. Jefferson's only response was "The people have chosen." My point is that we certainly don't live in a society that Jefferson would have prescribed. Don't listen to what the politicians say about it.
Randy1949 September 22, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Hoffa, don't try to bandy Titanic analogies with a wonk.
Nuitari, just a seat in the lifeboat no matter what you paid for your ticket would be enough.
Bruce Brewer September 22, 2012 at 11:46 pm
@James Hoffa,
That, actually, has nothing to do with the President as far as I am concerned. We have lost the ability to compromise for some reason. It wasn't like this when I was going through most of my adult years. Besides, I am proud to be part of the history making America that finally voted a black man into the Presidency....... :-) (although with the electoral college, etc....was I a part?)
James R Hoffa September 23, 2012 at 01:24 am
@Randy1949 -
Hoffa stands down, matey! ;-)
Luke September 23, 2012 at 01:25 am
@Lyle, - We better create the solution before we create your problem.
James R Hoffa September 23, 2012 at 01:29 am
@Bruce -
Personally, Hoffa prefers to select his elected leaders/representatives/jurists premised on merit, platform, and reputation. But, if skin color is what floats your boat, more power to ya!
Bruce Brewer September 23, 2012 at 12:50 pm
@James Hoffa,
I suppose as I know too many people that do judge by skin color, that election, I did put that as my primary reason and I suspect if a woman came along that had the credentials you listed, I would put female at the top once again just to bare proof that a woman can run the country. So, on my part, I can see that it sounds as though that might be my only criteria for Obama. We just need to get back to a democracy again.....get rid of the patriot act......!!!!!!!!!!!
Avenging Angel September 24, 2012 at 09:20 pm
This is accurate, albeit long winded, history lesson, but, you fail to link a single ill to "extreme conservatism".
Lyle Ruble September 24, 2012 at 09:59 pm
@Avenging Angel...The impact of extreme conservatism has been to delay solutions. The ills you speak to where economic and social. The whole failed philosophy of supply side economics has done irreversible harm. We now have a society that have become more divided over financial inequalities, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Howard Vrankin September 25, 2012 at 01:04 pm
Government is neither the Enemy nor the Savior. Democracy is an ongoing experiment.
Nick Poulos September 25, 2012 at 03:31 pm
@AWD: your close-mindedness is what the Tea Party and Republican radicals want.
You are exactly their kind of voter: someone who does not think about the issues nor about the larger societal good. It is tremendously disappointing that so many people patching really have not looked for the truth and believe the horse-hockey (a technical term) that Karl Rove and the Koch Brothers concoct out of thin air to make you afraid. Frankly, it is bigotry at is worst .
CowDung September 25, 2012 at 03:57 pm
Nick:
Change the 'President Obama' in his comments to 'Ryan/Romney' and he's echoing what you've been saying over and over again. You seem to be as closed minded as he is. Rather than debating or considering the merit of others' ideas, you outright dismiss or ignore any comments that aren't in line with your version of the 'truth'...
PaulRevere September 25, 2012 at 04:01 pm
Lyle writes:
"This represents a wide diverse spectrum of special interests. The net result is, as the population has grown, so has the demands placed on the government." Really? Whenever an accomplished New Liberal Democrat writes about "special interest" or "demands placed on Government", it is an attack on Our Constitution. Our Constitution controls "WHAT" our Government can do. Not Special Interests. Our Population has nothing to do with demands on Government. Why? Because the constitution states clearly "That Congress has the power to "TAX" in order to-------"Pay the bills of the United States" (Article 1 Sec8) Note , that Liberals have taken a simple rule of Law and have transformed it to "paying the Bills of Citizens". That is being done by Taxing and giving it back to certain groups as "Education Credits" as "Energy assistance" and "Auto Clunker" $4,000 checks and "1st time Homebuyer" $8,000 checks. No where in our Simple constitutional laws is it even mentioned to provide "Full Welfare" for every citizen. No , it says "General Welfare" WHO DO YOU REALLY BLAME FOR CREATING "Special interest groups"? Finally, The population growth has zero affect on placing "new Demands" on our government. The dollars might be larger, But the Consitutional Demands are still the same. SO EVERYONE THINK ------VOTES! Votes= The Largest Special interest. Votes =Music to the Liberal's ears.
James R Hoffa September 25, 2012 at 04:08 pm
Poulos was just burned by CowDung!
J. B. Schmidt September 25, 2012 at 04:35 pm
@Lyle
You forgot to acknowledge the newest and biggest area of government growth, likely because it casts a dark shadow on your own utopia, the increased creation of non-elected government agencies that have been given power that in the past was only allowed by elected officials. The health care law is one of the biggest as it gives vast amounts of authority over our health care to an appointed official. Then you have MMSD that can dump limitless amounts of fecal matter while raising taxes and yet they are all appointed. This president has appointed how many Czars that are making policy over our lives? The appointed Federal Reserve is making money worthless and the electorate can do nothing about it. I could go on because there are countless agencies that fall into this group. That is what is causing the separation between the people and government. It is the liberal creation (sometimes republican supported) removal of the rights of the electorate that is destroying the country. The main reason for appointed agencies is the reduction in freedom the people have to direct the government. Reagan was right regarding government being the problem and it is your political movement using it to destroy freedoms. That is the legacy of today's conservative. To prevent the removal of our freedoms by liberals and Obama Republicans.
vocal local 1 September 25, 2012 at 06:58 pm
And the largest and most dangerous: HOMELAND SECURITY, the Patriot Act. Fema, buying large amounts of ammunition and emergency food. TSA, Emergency Employee's, meaning they can be activated. Trained in search and seizure.
Lyle Ruble September 25, 2012 at 07:32 pm
@J.B. Schmidt....Brian Dey states his main objection to the federal government is it has become an institution that reaches into areas that it was never authorized or designed for. However, over the course of our existence the social environment and the population has not remained static. The growth of all government, including state and local is an adaptation to meet the defined needs and wants of the population plus respond to changes in technology, the physical environment, economics and geo-political changes. Over the last decade federal workers only account for 1.26% of the total workforce. This is for a period from 2001 to 2011. The total for all state and local workers in the U.S. is approximately 17 million. When federal and all other public employees are combined, it is slightly over 19 million. When public employees, of all types, are compared to the nation's total workforce; it is 1.36% of all working Americans. This represents a very modest bureaucracy at most. Government at all levels is represented by the will of the majority. We are constantly confronted with bureaucracies that are stymied by organizational demands for accountability and designed to handle the ordinary and not the extraordinary.
Demands on government has become so complicated that it requires managers appointed who are experts, thus the tzars. As far as MMSD, how else could it be done? The current setup was designed for efficiency and take the politics and possible graft out of the process.
J. B. Schmidt September 26, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@Lyle
First, lets use the word 'experts' very liberally when we are talking about czars or others who have gotten their job because they are well connected. If these positions are so required, then why are they not elected? More importantly, does our government not pay hundreds of people nationally as advisors? What are our elected officials doing if they need these appointed agencies to do the job for which they were elected? This is just more of the same piling on of bureaucratic BS on top of more regulation on top of more taxation without representation. In truth, it is the liberal policy of removing freedom. Furthermore, your statement, "Demands on government has become so complicated" is you and your ilks continued arrogance that assumes the people are not smart enough to care for themselves. These not elected 'managers' are required because we can't expect the American people to elect the correct person. The actual size of government employment is immaterial if, for example, the MMSD board of 7 people can increase taxation on nearly 1million citizens without the citizens having a say. The HHS is a single not elected individual who has been given far reaching authority over the health care of the entire country. Our founding was built on the fact that we had no representation with the king over our own taxation. Please explain to me how a board of not elected 'experts' deciding taxation or regulation is any different?
H.E. Pennypacker September 26, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Government can never be too big for people like Lyle. Government butters his bread, allows him to do nothing, he would never bite the hand that feeds him.
Lyle Ruble September 26, 2012 at 07:51 pm
@J.B. Schmidt....We elect representatives and executives to protect the interests of us all. Do we expect every elected official to be a Thomas Jefferson, a 18th century renaissance man? Of course not and we are electing them to set policy and direction that will be implemented by the associated bureaucracies. The appointments that executives make and approved by the appropriate legislative bodies, gives the executives the oversight necessary to implement policy and the associated regulations to carry out the legislative will. However, some agencies are hybrid that doesn't require election and goes through a special appointment procedure. Some common ones include the Public Service Commissions, Federal Reserve, Boards of Regents, judges, etc. These appointments are done to keep the functions non-partisan and they have only limited narrowly defined powers. In the case of MMSD, it functions as both governing agency such as a PSC, but also a service provider. Unlike other utilities, which in this state is for profit organizations, the MMSD functions strictly off of a tax levy which was granted by duly elected officials when the agency was set up. However, there has been limitations placed on them to how much they can tax without going back to get legislative and executive approval. This has been done to increase efficiency and effectiveness since it has been determined that water and sewer are critical for life and health.
Lyle Ruble September 26, 2012 at 07:53 pm
@Alfred (a.k.a. H.E. Pennypacker)....How does ad hominem attacks add to the discussion?
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Steve ® June 10, 2013 at 03:55 pm
So? What was used and what harm does it cause? Although ironic this may provide more good thanRead More harm. What is written on the application sign?
Cricket June 11, 2013 at 01:31 pm
The bluff and other areas need to be planted with things that will snuff out the weeds. They areRead More harmful to animals and possibly birds, of which there are many at atwater. Obviously not many animals but there are squirrels and rabbits and other native mammals. Not to mention the kids at the play area. Most adult humans can handle an occasional wiff of a pesticide but not children or animals. I have held several pesticide licenses in my day so I have had much course work on this. I am surprised the village has done this but I know restoration is about to begin - again - on the bluff and perhaps they are trying to rid the bluff of all the weeds. It is a shame that the 15+ kids they hire every year can't be up there weeding instead. I don't know what else they could be doing as the village has reduced the amount of annual flower beds that need to be maintained.
PaulRevere June 10, 2013 at 12:40 pm
The liberal minded Patch had it going their way for some time. Then, the contrary opinions became aRead More "voice to be heard". So, like all liberal media, just shut down the "free speech". Speech that educates the people is a NO-NO in the world of "public education". Have no fear, other avenues to educate the public is on the way.
CowDung June 10, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Given the amount of liberal propaganda that is posted around here, one does have to wonder if PatchRead More intended to make it more difficult to reply to comments (and set the record straight)...
Mike Stevens June 14, 2013 at 07:20 am
Wow, PaulRevere, AKA the hardest working person in America, who only takes 1 day per month off andRead More who believes all evil is related to public schooling, has time to not only comment on St. Louis area Patch sites, but on Milwaukee area sites as well? Paul, perhaps you should go back to school to check your grammar--other avenues to educate the public ARE on the way, not IS on the way. Oh, you must be too busy working 20 hours a day (but finding tons of time to comment on several Patch sites) to check grammar
Walker celebrates after defeating the liberal unionista blue fisters
Steve ® June 6, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Sure Keith. I am sure every time you use the term Tea Bagger it is not vulgar. The symbol for yourRead More failed recall movement was a Blue Fist. No one wants to be ruled by a fist and I don't see how that is vulgar when your own logo was a blue fist. Try again.
Keith Schmitz June 6, 2013 at 01:03 pm
Are you assuming we're stupid Steve? Don't. BTW -- you called yourselves Tea Baggers. We're onlyRead More using the term you selected. What a great PR roll-up for this group of Neanderthals. You're problem with that any fister reference is usually the speaker feels it is where his head should be.
Greg June 6, 2013 at 01:10 pm
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH, that is why their fists are blue, OUCH!
Bob McBride June 6, 2013 at 09:04 am
I think if you look at most of the sites still running the older version, you'll see the sameRead More messages of impending doom we got just before the change...
Bob McBride June 6, 2013 at 09:15 am
I got the name wrong, it was "Bellmore", not Belmont. It was part of rollout of what atRead More the time was being referred to as "Patch 2.0" in the press. It was rolled out to five towns in the Long Island, NY area in September of last year. I'm going to attempt to post a link to an article:: http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/189296/aols-redesigned-patch-websites-make-a-play-for-neighborhood-groups/
CowDung June 6, 2013 at 09:30 am
"I think if you look at most of the sites still running the older version, you'll see the sameRead More messages of impending doom we got just before the change... " | I think that's true, Bob. I poked around at a number of Patch sites around the country and the 'Welcome to the New Patch' articles were full of the same complaints we are seeing here. | This Patch redesign seems to be the 'New Coke' of websites...
Greg June 4, 2013 at 03:38 pm
Starting at ONLY $70,000.00 Time to cash in your aluminum cans.
FailBoat
Nuitari June 3, 2013 at 08:37 pm
These posts are certainly more enlightening than Lyle Ruble's junk.
Steve ® June 3, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Racist
Steve ® June 2, 2013 at 11:38 pm
The main stream media says yes. So it's true.