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Keeping Expectations Real for Our Public School Teachers

Over the last five or six decades, the role and expectations for the classroom educator has changed from teacher to something entirely different, which they were never trained for.

I have watched conditions unfold over the last 30 years that have led me to believe that the problems in education are not the educators, but the expectations placed on educational institutions and the teachers.

Schools are one of the focal points within communities. Public schools are mandated by law to accept all eligible students. Schools become the crucible in which children of all differing abilities, cultures, social economic statuses, race, religions, learning traditions, and families are cast into, with the goal of becoming literate members of society. This was a goal of Horace Mann the father of American Education. Not only was he the strongest 19th century proponent of universal public education, but he founded the “normal schools” for the training of teachers. He felt that the crucible effect would positively benefit not only the individual student but society as a whole.  The universal school system has been instrumental in forming the singular American identity.

Educators have been trained to educate. They are not trained to be psychotherapists, psychologists, social workers, nannies, nurses or conflict mediators. But, social problems requiring the skills of these other professions are what precisely teachers must deal with on a daily basis. On top of that, many teachers are standing alone without the support of student’s families or the support of the community. School administrations are also unable to deal with the avalanche of problems that walk through the door. They are lucky, in some circumstances, to be able just to maintain order and protect the students and teachers from physical harm.

Many of the schools that have the lowest performance are also the schools that are inundated with the most social problems. These schools are normally serving the most impoverished communities with the least amount of public support for the school and the educational process. When these troubled schools are compared to schools found in other areas that are not subjected to the immense social problems; it is not surprising that schools in the suburbs and rural areas perform much better.  Even the most dedicated and competent teacher would have difficulty in the problem schools.

When we evaluate teachers, are we evaluating their competency as teachers or are we evaluating them on managing the social problems of their students. It is clear to me that remove the social issues interfering with learning, then performance will raise to that of rural and suburban schools.  

Let’s keep our expectations real for education and schools. Teachers have unjustly been scapegoated for the school’s inability to overcome the social problems, which lead to unsatisfactory performance.    

John Wilson September 19, 2012 at 05:03 pm
JB –
Facts are rather important to me… that is ONE cultural difference that clearly differentiates THEE from ME. “It is not racism that is holding back our school under the leadership of a black president.” President Obama is half-white – a white mother and a black father – and yet YOU call him a “black president.” Bi-racial is an interesting concept, as is the simple concept of President Obama… CONTRIBUTORS TO AMERICAS DECLINE: Devaluating the arts, science, mathematics education, while extolling FAITH American Exceptionalism Devaluating Professional Teachers Divisiveness in America Meaningful, living wage, employment opportunities Racism Vulture Capitalism Extraordinary greed Shifting from a manufacturing to a service based economy Offshoring Lack of accountability from a bought-and-paid-for congress ALEC Citizens United These are just a few areas that you may care to focus on, if you are honestly looking for causes and potential solutions to some of America’s more salient challenges, all of which have quite an impact on education and our future standing in the world. Alternatively, you could slip on your newest 2nd century loincloth, stroll down to the nearest intersection and shout at the top of your voice, AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, while PRC, India, South America, Asia, etc., eat our lunch and we all become Neanderthals…
Bewildered September 19, 2012 at 05:06 pm
Lyle, did you realy just claim that "drug dealing" is "the entrepreneurial spirit... alive and well" ? Really? OMG !!!!
Lyle Ruble September 19, 2012 at 05:22 pm
@Bewildered...If it isn't, then what is it?
Lyle Ruble September 19, 2012 at 06:24 pm
J.B. Schmidt....Two points that you bring up about Christian Humanists reflecting the beliefs of the inner city and that increased knowledge has led to an increased decline; I will attempt to address.
It would appear that you and I may hold entirely different views on Christian Humanism. These Christians do not see themselves as the ultimate expression and in many ways hold a much more fundamentalist belief. Although religion is integrated into there everyday lives, there are other cultural variables. Women in this community are much more likely to attend church and other religious activities. This is consistent with the matriarchal society that has evolved. They have a different interpretation as to a number of Christian ideological principles not shared by mainstream European Protestant denominations. Christianity, as practiced, by a number of African-Americans focuses on achieving a better place in heaven with G-d and Jesus. This was a consistent theme with Roman Catholics prior to the Reformation. Humanism no, afterlife rewards yes. Your expectation that increased knowledge will necessarily will reverse the decline is inaccurate. Knowledge and economic presence are entirely two different things. Follow me on this: If function is conditional on Social Economic Status and economic resources, then dysfunction is an indication of the absence of favorable conditions, such as higher SES and lower economic resources.
Bren September 19, 2012 at 07:41 pm
Steve, was there proof that the janitor was fired only because of the bumper sticker? Because that could be grounds for a wrongful firing suit.
I don't agree with fake doctor notes either. I place it at about the same level of disingenuous behavior as sliding ALEC union-busting into what was publicized as a "budget repair" bill. If we had a national health plan, we'd eliminate the middleman insurance company altogether. Teaching is a noble profession, I agree.
CowDung September 19, 2012 at 07:58 pm
Proof?
Her boss did giver her the option of putting the sign (not a bumper sticker) on the floor of the car (not displayed), or parking across the street. She refused. She was sent home and told not to report for work the next day. After she got a lawyer involved, she has since been invited to return to work. It seems pretty clear that the firing was related to the pro-Walker sign...
John Wilson September 19, 2012 at 08:46 pm
JB –
The Democrats did not have complete control of the government for the first 2 years; the Democrats had 57 members in the Senate – 2 of these seats were being actively contested and these folks, Roland Burris for Obama’s seat and Al Franken for Norm Coleman’s seat… could not be sworn in because of ongoing litigation. It is completely disingenuous to say that the Democrats had COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT FOR TWO YEARS AND DID NOTHING… It has been increasingly difficult for the Democratic Party to get any bills passed through the Senate, as the Republicans have either threatened a filibuster or just went ahead and filibustered. It takes 60 votes to overcome a filibuster, and get something passed through the Senate. I will applaud the intellectual dishonesty, once again, of my good Christian friend, JB… The only party fighting to get the poor job training, welfare-to-work, Pell Grants and an education is the Democratic Party – Republicans just say, “NO!” Republicans, on the other hand, want their base to be kept poor, disabled and uneducated; the base, FL, Al, AZ, MS, LA, GA, AR. SC. TN, TX, KY, UT, OK. These folks have had so much GOD and AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM pumped up their derriere that they cannot see straight. These are the poorest and least educated, residing in the Bible belt, maintaining their fundamental Christian faith, low wages and rigidly voting REPUBLICAN… just the way the Republican Party wants them to be…
Dave Koven September 19, 2012 at 09:13 pm
Bob McBride...You summarized my points accurately. Now ask yourself how good of a job would you do at YOUR job if when every time something needed to be done someone either ducked their responsibility to help you, made fun of what you did, threatened you physically and /or financially, or just plain sabotaged what you were trying to achieve. Then, after a hard day of trying to a good job you came home to read in the paper that someone who has no experience with what you do thinks you're lazy and incompetent. Teachers are plenty well trained for their jobs, but they can't do it alone. Read my previous entries. Teachers are evaluated practically every time they turn around. Education requires cooperation between family, child, and school. The teachers ARE doing their job. Are you doing yours? P.S. You CAN solve educational problems (and many others) by "throwing money " at them. It is done in private schools all the time, that the rich attend, where about 99% go on to college. In those schools, teachers don't have to be disciplinarians all the time, wasting class time. They can teach, and the parents respect them and work cooperatively with them. It's a "pay me now or pay me later, but you WILL pay me" kind of situation. If we don't invest in the schools, respect teachers, and respect learning, we will lose this country. We won't be able to compete economically with the rest of the world. So what if you're not happy. That's the way it is.
Bob McBride September 19, 2012 at 09:27 pm
Once again, Dave, you support my contention that when it comes to addressing issues other than their own, personal gripes about teaching, most "educators" have nothing of value to offer. More money isn't the answer and it never has been. See MPS as a point of reference.
BTW, I've experienced all the things you griped about related to work - including various unflattering opinions about what I do for a living offered up by those who've never done it. I'd say the same goes for most folks I know and, no doubt, the majority of folks who've spent anytime in the work force. Most of us just realize how foolish and out of touch we'd look if we griped about it at every opportunity.
Dave Koven September 19, 2012 at 09:47 pm
Bob McBride...Ordinarily, I wouldn't "gripe" about anything, but these are very unusual times for educators. I see it not as "griping", but explaining to lay people what is going on in an area they are not familiar with. Your comment, "most educators have nothing of value to offer", absolutely blows me away by its sheer stupidity. The fact that you can read this should mean something to you. Thank a teacher. Don't bother telling me you were born able to read, or you were self taught, or some other garbage. Make no mistake...I support none of your contentions. Think of me as being like a camera. I'm merely describing what I see. Don't blame the camera. If teachers didn't "gripe"/explain what's going on in education, what qualified person would? I'd love to say that all kids were ready to learn, but they're not. To get them ready/socialize them, we'd have to waste valuable class teaching time. There are many lousy parents out there, and it's "fightin' words" to ever tell someone they are a lousy parent. It ranks up there with "you've had too much to drink" and "you're a lousy driver". This is the real world, not Lake Woebegon, where "all the kids are above average".
Steve ® September 20, 2012 at 01:06 am
Yes there was proof. And there you just went and stuck in an ALEC to justify teachers breaking the law in your head. Give it a rest, unless you just do it for the pure entertainment of us laughing at you.
J. B. Schmidt September 20, 2012 at 11:04 am
@Lyle
Your offer is intriguing. If can fit it into my schedule, I will let you know.
Bob McBride September 20, 2012 at 11:33 am
Doesn't look like you're capable of focusing on anything but perceived insults to your profession, Dave. Pointless, really. Lyle's already taken the focus away from teachers being the problem and has suggested that there are other issues that need to be addressed, seriously. Everything with you comes back to the teachers, how awful they have it, how they don't get enough respect, aren't paid enough and what needs to be done to make their jobs easier.
Again, if you wonder why teachers often times aren't respected as professionals, you don't have to look much further than that. You demonstrate an attitude I've seen most often amongst blue collar laborers rather than one consistent with true professionals, such as doctors and lawyers. Unfortunately, you're not alone in that regard. I've seen much the same expressed here and elsewhere by teachers. So maybe it's too much to expect that you or others in the same position as you were can step away from the resentments and self-focused attitude long enough to actually focus on the issues that plague districts like MPS in a serious fashion.
Dave Koven September 20, 2012 at 02:30 pm
McBride...What you are looking for in a public employee is a human doormat. It "ain't gonna" happen. When you are dealing with people's lives, you definitely want to have the latest and best equipment and thinking (whether you are a surgeon or a teacher). No doctor or lawyer wants to have Joe Blow interrupting his work with ridiculous, impossible to honor politically motivated demands. Neither does a teacher. Of course so -called "blue collar" workers want respect. They do the actual work in a community. Blue collar folks don't have the luxury of calling for a security guard to throw out a disruptive person. Teachers don't even have secretarial help, and lord knows, if anyone could use the help with the enormous paperwork, it would be teachers. Bottom line is this...try teaching a public school class under the same conditions as the teachers you don't seem to respect have, and see how you do. That'll shut your mouth in a hurry.
Bob McBride September 20, 2012 at 03:39 pm
Dave you absolutely don't get it at all. All you know is a reactive defensive posture.
It's not about you. It's not about teachers. Even Lyle has made that clear in his heading. You're so narrowly focused you can't see the forrest for the trees, so you're of absolutely no use in this discussion. That being said, if you want to behave like and align yourself with blue collar workers while being respected as professionals (I'm sure the guy unloading trucks at the distribution center would like a secretary too, but he's not gonna get one) you're fighting a losing battle. You want praise for doing your job, none of the responsibility, all of the sympathy, more of the money and perks and we're just supposed go along with that because you're a "teacher". You folks never learn. The world doesn't revolve around you. As for doing your job, I'd offer you the same opportunity if I could afford the risk of losing all my customers to your bad attitude. I don't want you anywhere near my job.
Dave Koven September 20, 2012 at 03:45 pm
Bob...I don't want anything from you. You have nothing to offer of value.
Bob McBride September 20, 2012 at 03:55 pm
I wish it was that easy, Dave. Like it or not, my taxes go to guys like you. Turn some of that down and I'd take you at your word.
John Wilson September 20, 2012 at 04:49 pm
IF you are really interested and serious in teachers, school and education, who is really getting our public tax dollars - with no accountability - and the help of ALEC and billionaires like the infamous Koch Brothers, the movie "Won't Back Down", to be released on September 28, 2012, is a brilliant piece of propaganda that is a MUST SEE... as it really pushes ALEC and "Parent Trigger Proposal."
http://www.prwatch.org/node/11763
Dave Koven September 20, 2012 at 07:29 pm
McBride...Consider it turned down.
Dave Koven September 20, 2012 at 09:30 pm
McBride...One final point...I pay taxes too, and some of them go to "guys like you".
James R Hoffa September 20, 2012 at 09:45 pm
Keep in mind that John Wilson believes that Michael Moore is "great!"
John Wilson is in some serious need for facts about the Koch Bros: http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/
James R Hoffa September 20, 2012 at 09:49 pm
@Dave Koven -
Hoffa has taught community college courses in the past and he didn't complain about a single thing, unlike your constant and nonstop belly aching!
Randy1949 September 20, 2012 at 09:53 pm
@JRH -- Community college courses are not exactly the same as working with 'at risk' inner city elementary students.
James R Hoffa September 20, 2012 at 09:55 pm
@Dave Koven -
The only nation on earth that spends more on public education than the US is Switzerland. Every other nation on earth spends significantly less on public education than we do, and yet they attain much higher results. And you want us throw even more taxpayer money into the pot for public education? Apparently, you and the rest of the blue fisters were absent the day that they taught about efficiency and effectiveness in public education!
Bob McBride September 20, 2012 at 09:55 pm
The difference is I'm not on here whining about what a raw deal I'm getting. Only in the public sector is it okay to whine and bitch about how awful you have it to your customers. And teachers seem to do more of that than just about any other public sector employee.
Case in point: you.
James R Hoffa September 20, 2012 at 10:04 pm
@Randy1949 & @Dave Koven -
Two names for you guys - Jaime Escalante and Joe Louis Clark. They should be the standard, not the exception! Instead the standard is cry babies like Koven! Koven should be ashamed for all the whining he's done on this blog, but Hoffa knows he's not.
Dave Koven September 20, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Hoffa...So have I. I taught at a real University (Big Ten), not just at a community college where most of your students were probably (to their credit) working on their GEDs. I have also taught in inner city schools in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Prince George's County, Maryland. I have also taught in nicer schools, where the kids are supposed to be problem free (lol). College teaching is great. The kids all want to be there and have paid for the privilege. I never had to break up any fights in college or disarm anyone. What you call bellyaching is actually someone describing reality to the uninformed. When you say no one can talk negatively about their work without it being called "bellyaching" by the great Hoffa, you will never get a bead on what problems have to be solved. But...I guess that is your game. I thought you were more intelligent. That's why I took the time to dialogue with you. We all make mistakes, and mine was trying to reason with Hoffa, the Great Obfuscator (look it up in a dictionary, or ask a real teacher what it means).
James R Hoffa September 20, 2012 at 10:23 pm
@Dave Koven -
Maybe if you were actually highlighting problems, we'd pay attention. But as McBride has pointed out above, all you're doing is playing the victim card here! You're making it out to be all about you, the teacher, instead of making it out to be about the kids. Jaime Escalante accepted the challenges he faced without any bellyaching and he had it far worse than anything you could have possibly ever experienced! I don't think you'd find a single conservative that would bad mouth Escalante. But you know who did bad mouth Escalante - his fellow pro-active union teachers for making the rest of them look bad.
Ima Hippee September 20, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Dave K - Geesh, do you need to whine so much? I suspect your benefit plan has counseling? Don't do it here.
BTW - if college teaching is so great, why did you leave it? No wait, don't answer that.
Dave Koven September 21, 2012 at 03:00 pm
Ima..Stop complaining about "whining"? How else can anyone tell you what the realities are? If "Do good and disappear" was such a good idea, why aren't the politicians doing it? I spent 34 successful years in education and helped a lot of kids/young adults, from college level to Kindergarten. You go where you're needed. Please re-read all my comments on this thread. If you don't like a dose of reality from someone who has been there, too bad for you and all the others who say they want to bury their heads in the sand and not have to hear about reality. Escalante I can respect, but Clark carried a baseball bat around the school halls. If he used it, he'd be jailed. In real life, just carrying the bat would get him fired. How many "Escalantes" do you have working where you work? Are you one of them? "There's no one so blind as those who will not see". Nice chatting with you all.

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