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It’s Time for the Political Left to Step Forward, Start Acting and Not Just Reacting — Part III.b

In this part, I begin outlining a plan to reduce the shortage of physicians and change how healthcare is funded.

In Part III.a, I outlined the healthcare provider variable that is currently impacting the delivery of healthcare services. There is a shortage of the front line provider and the shortage is only going to grow worse in the decades to come. This shortage also has an impact on the cost of delivering healthcare services as well as the availability such services to all citizens.

The shortage of qualified physicians, especially general practice physicians, and other healthcare providers is a crisis that will only get worse over the next two to three decades. The education and training is both time consuming and expensive. Based on the need to counteract this crisis, it is only appropriate that the federal government should become involved. It should take on a role that is both supportive to the current system and active toward the improvement of service delivery to the un-served and to the underserved within the population. This can only be achieved by placing control of the program/s under direct control of the U.S. Public Health Service.

The first step is to use public funds to open 50 new government owned and operated medical schools and teaching hospitals. These schools and hospitals would be established in underserved areas of the nation. Although owned and operated by the federal government, these institutions would be staffed by a combination of public health professionals and private teaching professionals. The ultimate goal is to graduate 100 new doctors per year from each institution for a net gain of 5,000 new physicians each year. The primary focus would be on those fields of study with the greatest need such as general practitioners and family medicine. Not only would the public medical schools train new physicians, but also other healthcare professionals; including physician assistants, dentists, and nurses. Included would also be graduate school candidates for PhDs in medical research.

The cost of the education and training of public health medical schools and teaching hospitals would be free of charge to the students with an agreement of a period of service in the public healthcare system or military. Recommended would be that physicians would serve for eight years, physician assistants, PhDs and dentists serve for six years, and nurses for four years.

The second step is to establish public hospitals and clinics in the most underserved areas of the nation. These clinics and hospitals would be staffed by graduates and others from the public healthcare medical schools, serving out their terms of service. Service fees for the hospitals and clinics would be based on the patient’s ability to pay for such services. There would be a sliding fee assessed based on the ability to pay. The public hospitals and clinics would also accept insurance third party payment for such services. Included in the hospitals and clinics would also have government funded pharmacies.

The funding of the program could be easily achieved along with additional funding to Medicare, Medicaid and CHIPS by assessing a National Sales Tax of 5% on all retail sales and services, excluding food and prescription drugs. This would generate an estimated $211 billion per annum. This would be more than enough to satisfy present and future requirements until the nation can transition to a NHS.

By increasing the supply of healthcare delivery personal, the impact could force a reduction on the cost of the healthcare delivery with the government funded hospitals and clinics providing a downward pressure on service delivery costs.

Bren July 6, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Why would quality be sacrificed? Mr. Ruble hasn't suggested that the doctors would receive less training that current medical practitioners receive.
Lyle Ruble July 6, 2012 at 01:06 pm
@J.B. Schmidt...No one said that we would be reducing quality and replacing it with quantity. If you read Part III.a, I clearly stated that there are more than 45,000 applicants each year and only 19,000 are accepted under our current system. Even the established medical community agrees that we need to educate and train more physicians, to the tune of 7 to 10 thousand more per year. The problem is that the private sector cannot open up another 50 new medical schools, just too expensive for the private sector. Through my proposed plan we can add quality physicians and still increase the quantity.
As far as the salary structure; while in training they would receive a stipend and upon graduation physicians would be paid around 130K per year while in service. This is adequate since they won't have to be paying off student loans and the costs for their practice will be covered. Other healthcare professionals would also be compensated adequately for their professions. The placement of hospitals and clinics in under served areas would provide a much greater social benefit than the current system that is driven by market forces. I would eventually like to see Medicare, Medicaid and CHIPS folded into the system so that these entitlement recipients would go to the government facilities to get healthcare services and drive the costs down for providing such services. (continued)
The Donny Show July 6, 2012 at 01:08 pm
Lyle, great fantasy essay. This is fantasy right? If not, someone ought to make sure Lyle AC is working better now. The heat surely got to him.
Liberals always have great ideas to help the poor, disadvantaged, etc. They want SOMEONE else to move there, help them, serve them. Yet, they never do. Why is that? Maybe Bren, Lyle, and Keith (after he pays the loan back of course!) could move to a disadvantaged area and start helping.
The Anti-Alinsky July 6, 2012 at 01:13 pm
We are the leaders in health care quality. American physicians and businesses develop most of the new equipment and procedures while the rest of the world sits and waits.
Then you have all those countries the left likes to hold up as an example that have loooooooooong waiting lines for basic care. And finally Canada sets the price that they pay for drugs. Their price structure covers the cost of making the drug, but forces the cost of research and development (which is the largest cost in a drug) onto the rest of us. If Lyle wants to built teaching clinics and hospitals in the inner city, that's fine, but if it becomes government owned it will be a disaster. If he want's the government to sponsor it, like a public university, that's fine, as long as we pull the money out of some other program. We have enough government disasters out there, it wouldn't be too hard to find. But STOP THE INSANE SPENDING!!! No country ever taxed itself into prosperity!
J. B. Schmidt July 6, 2012 at 01:14 pm
@Bren
Correct, he has not said they would receive less training. However, if you artificially inflate a system that is always the end result. The government has no track record of increasing the quality of a system. Not to mention, those that currently cannot become doctors probably should not become doctors. If the issue is the cost of education or the availability of institutions, then it requires people of strong drive and high intelligence in order to take on the debt of education and get accepted into the medical institution. Eliminating these pre-qualifications of drive and intelligence by creating a system that opens the doors to people with less drive and intelligence you are by default lowering the standards it requires to become a medical professional. Even if you keep the same high standards of education, you have only created more of the existing problem we face in higher education. That is people attending who don't belong, doing so on the governments dollar and the eventual lowering of standards to reduce the drop out rate. Instead of flooding the system with doctors and lowering the standard of care; why not change the way patients use the system and there by lowering the demand for needless medical visits and procedures.
Bob McBride July 6, 2012 at 01:15 pm
You don't think opening up 50 and staffing 50 new medical schools and teaching hospitals with all that entails (why in G-ds name we would need 50 of them...talk about throwing out the concept of economies of scale...) and then ramming through enough students to produce 100 graduates ready to roll per school isn't going to result in a necessary drop in the quality of output, you're not thinking it through. If we're talking about doing this over a 20-30 year time span, perhaps. If you're figuring this is something that can be up and running effectively in any less time than that, extremely unlikely.
Lyle Ruble July 6, 2012 at 01:17 pm
@J.B. Schmidt...(continued) With the funding system I am proposing the cost of such a system would, after establishment, not require all of the revenues raised and the surplus would be rolled into Medicare, Medicaid and CHIPS, helping to relieve the current shortfall in funding of these programs. With the entitlements receiving services from the public health service, with a much lower administrative cost, the system would automatically be 20% cheaper. Also, the system would not be free for those who can pay, either out of pocket or through personal third party insurance; also driving down the service costs. All in all it is a win/win since it is a system where all are paying a flat tax through retail purchases of goods and services. Everyone now has skin in the game. If we have a system in place that can accommodate entitlement recipients, then alternative funding systems can be crafted to lower the overall costs of providing healthcare.
J. B. Schmidt July 6, 2012 at 01:26 pm
@Lyle
To cover the salary, you are talking about $650million for the first years graduates. If we pretend you don't have to pay existing medical professionals, it doubles every year assuming the same graduation rate. By year 5 we are $33 billion if you only include those that have graduated your system. Where does this money come from? When do you stop pumping out medical professionals and if the number of doctors out numbers the patient load, are they still paid a salary? I think like every progressive government plan, the first year or two looks workable; however, it always burdens later generations with cost over runs and unsustainable systems.
J. B. Schmidt July 6, 2012 at 01:33 pm
@Lyle
The key to all true liberal ideas, "the system would not be free for those who can pay". In other words the government gets to pick the winners and losers in the medical game. Since the government will determine what "pay" means. You aren't fixing anything. The takers will continue to burden the system and the producers will become a smaller and smaller group contributing less and less. The result will be the few paying for the many and system that will be crushed under it own weight.
Bob McBride July 6, 2012 at 01:43 pm
Here's the part I got a kick out of...
"The funding of the program could be easily achieved along with additional funding to Medicare, Medicaid and CHIPS by assessing a National Sales Tax of 5% on all retail sales and services, excluding food and prescription drugs. This would generate an estimated $211 billion per annum. This would be more than enough to satisfy present and future requirements until the nation can transition to a NHS. ******************** "more than enough". If it's more than enough, then how about we scale it back to JUST enough? Or how about maybe a little less than enough to discourage the kind of things that ordinarily happen when government entities are given x amount of money - they spend it all? Once again, this all hinges on the theory that the government knows best how to spend the taxpayers' money, so more of it going into the government's hands, even if it's "more than enough" than is actually needed, is more of a good thing in the long run.
The Anti-Alinsky July 6, 2012 at 02:25 pm
You hit the nail on the head Bob! Lyle, Bren and the other Socialist all feel that nationalized healthcare is the way to go, and the best way to start is to get a funding mechanism in place that would never go away.
Lyle Ruble July 6, 2012 at 02:43 pm
@Bob McBride...The 50 new medical schools is not my number but from the research done by the established medical community. They are estimating that we need an additional 10,000 physicians per year to provide for the nation's healthcare needs. The establishment of these medical schools is something the federal government can do whereas if we wait for the private sector to do it, it'll never happen in time and we'll continue to only have 14.7 physicians per 100,000. The fewer the physicians available to practice the higher the cost. Substantially increasing the number of practicing physicians will increase the supply of physicians resulting in a reduction in cost of service.
Lyle Ruble July 6, 2012 at 02:57 pm
@The Anti-Alinsky....How do you determine we are the leaders in healthcare quality? Most measures that are used say we are not. We have lower longevity than all other developed nations, more infant mortality, genuine lower health, etc. You need to do more research before you make such statements.
Also, your claims that the U.S. is responsible for most of the new equipment is only partially true. That, however, is not due to our industry, but from our university and college institutions. We are facing more and more competition from companies outside the nation. New procedures come from all over the globe and the US doesn't have a lock on it. I don't know where you get this idea that people under NHS are waiting in long lines to receive routine care. That has never been my experience. The only thing that people often wait on are elective, non life threatening, procedures. The pharmaceutical industry has been ripping us off for years. I would suggest that the basic research should be done under government funding at colleges and universities and pharmaceutical companies become only what they are, manufacturers. The government would open up new drugs to all manufacturers and let the free market decide winners and losers.
Lyle Ruble July 6, 2012 at 02:59 pm
@ The Donny Show....LOL; I have and I do.
J. B. Schmidt July 6, 2012 at 03:18 pm
As Lyle proposes more government funding of medical training, it may be the government that has caused the problem. Since 1965 the government has founded residency programs and in effect controlled the number of doctors entering the medical profession. In 1996 we had a surplus of doctors and the government was paying teaching hospitals to reduce the number of residence they took in by 25%. Not to mention the major cause for the influx of patients is do to the government providing free medicine to those it deems poor. They in turn, having no ownership in the system, use it recklessly. AHA will increase that demand because people will again be able to use features that if they had to pay for directly they might not or would not use.
Again it is patients taking ownership of the system that will save the health care system. Not dumping huge amounts of cash into it because that doesn't fix the problem.
The Anti-Alinsky July 6, 2012 at 03:26 pm
Lyle, where are all the new procedures coming from? The US! Why do you think the Saudi royal family keeps coming here? Why do we keep hearing ads from local hospitals about foreign patients checking into their hospital for treatment?
And then there is the timeliness of treatment. Rather than squeezing the patient into a schedule, we provide services right away. http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/cdp-news-editorial/2010/feb/14/us_has_best_health_care_in_world1-ar-80904/
Bob McBride July 6, 2012 at 03:27 pm
Lyle, what kind of time frame are you talking about in terms of being able to pump to 10K doctors/year?
It would also be helpful if you'd provide links to some of this source info you're using, if you have it.
Lyle Ruble July 6, 2012 at 03:54 pm
@Bob McBride...My time frame would be to have everything fully up and operating in 10 years. I would set a goal of 5 new medical schools coming on line each year beginning in 2014.
Many of my sources can be found in my article Part-III.a. www.aamc.org and www.globalhealthfacts.org are good places to start. Also the Census Bureau has a great deal of information as well as www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.
Bob McBride July 6, 2012 at 04:14 pm
I'd say that's ambitious by a long margin, but then again we're talking about something that makes a lot of assumptions regarding approval, funding, tax law, restructuring an entire an industry, potential opposition and the ability of the government, in general, to properly run a program of the kind of magnitude you're talking about. You're right that in only the government would (I'm not sold on could) tackle something of this nature. The ability to make major mistakes, have humungous overruns that can be covered by literally commandeering boatloads of money while essentially remaining unaccountable lies only with the government.
GearHead July 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm
We're broke, Lyle, so your creative (not!) new taxing scheme will just serve to make us broker, if you pardon the bad English. The answer to better and more affordable health care rests with (as always) the free market. More competition for services, portability of insurance across state lines, transparancy of costs, fee or service. Pretty simple, really, and ill-suited for the socialist nightmare you continue to mistakenly advocate.
The Anti-Alinsky July 7, 2012 at 02:47 pm
And if that wasn't enough of a resource:
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/publicationdisplay.aspx?id=2147484001 http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/20/canadian-healthcare.html http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2009/07/28/statistics-show-canada-healthcare-is-inferior-to-american-system http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html
Johnny Blade July 8, 2012 at 03:03 pm
Lyel ... We should follow the Nobel price winning economist Krugman's advice, we say there is an Alien invasion and fire up the printing press and print our way to better healthcare .. i mean Krugamn won a Nobel prize and his Alien angle is brialliant i mean this guy is a Keynesian mastermind .. print print print .. we r only 16 trillion in admitted debt .. Krugman says that is nothin ,, so it is easy prin print print
Lyle Ruble July 8, 2012 at 03:31 pm
@GearHead...We're not broke. Just as in Wisconsin, we weren't broke. We have the capital resources and potential to put into place this and many other programs. We need to prioritize differently. It's never a lack of money but where the money goes. That's the very basis of differences in fiscal planning. I find the political right to be very myopic in their approach and looking for simply solutions to complex problems.
Lyle Ruble July 8, 2012 at 03:36 pm
@Johnny Blade...The plan I am proposing is not asking to print more money. By my own calculations, ten years of a national sales tax would reduce the overall deficit for healthcare by two trillion dollars over ten years. Once we ho to an NHS, the percentage of GDP that the nation spends each year would be around 13 to 15 percent. I am clearly setting aside ideology to come up with unique solutions. Can you say the same?
Phil M July 8, 2012 at 06:39 pm
Lyle,
Your argument is fundamentally flawed. You are stating a problem: That we do not train enough physicians and other credentialed caregivers. Your solution is to create a new very large tax and have the government run a program in which these caregivers are forced to work for less than market value in poor neighborhoods in exchange for free education. The argument is flawed because your solution is not trying to most efficiently solve a shortage, but rather address primary care in poor neighborhoods for folks that use the emergency room as primary care. Medical academia has produced and continues to produce caregivers. If we need more caregivers a better answer is to let the market stimulate the need and they will respond. You have a rather weak response to this and offer no supporting data...that they cannot or will not respond? A further flaw in your solution is the assumption people would be interested in working for less and in an environment that might not be safe. Engagement is important for workers, forced labor does not engage people. The best thing we can do to help people in this country is to get them working again, high taxes and government reliance stifles that. We lead the world in innovation, we need to let the folks that convert innovation to something operational (e.g. Steve Jobs) blossom. They improve our lives, create jobs, and give opportunities to others.
Lyle Ruble July 8, 2012 at 08:58 pm
@Phil M...You raise interesting points. We have a recognized shortage of physicians to care for the "baby boomers" who will be retiring in large numbers. In addition, we have nearly 17% of the population that is either under served or not served at all except in E.R. rooms. There are two primary issues here; 1) an imbalance in the available supply of healthcare professionals; and 2) the affordability of quality care to roughtly 50 million Americans.
In 1996 there was a concern that we were producing too many physicians. Now we are running a deficit. The established medical community are the ones stating that nearly 7 to 10 thousand more physicians are needed per year. With only 137 medical schools available, it is impossible to educate and train that many more physicians. Therefore, the government is the only entity that can gear up and meet the demand. It is a national issue and requires a national approach that market forces cannot address. If the market could solve the problem then would have already. I think many healthcare service providers are concerned about the additional supply of physicians and others placing a downward pressure on compensation made by many of the providers. As far as placing healthcare providers in under served areas at below market compensation beings to question; are physicians and other healthcare providers entering the profession for the money or to practice medicine.
The Anti-Alinsky July 9, 2012 at 01:10 am
Sorry Lyle, but Gearhead is right. We are broke. We are beyond broke. We are 15.861 TRILLION in debt. That's more than 50 THOUSAND per citizen. (source: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ )Think about having a 50 THOUSAND dollar credit card debt, what would you do? Most of us would call Peter Francis Geraci and declare bankruptcy.
“The most important thing to do if you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging.” ― Warren Buffett
GearHead July 9, 2012 at 01:38 pm
@Lyle, you have an amazing capacity to ignore reality as it slaps you upside the head. We have a barn fire blazing away. Most thinking people would grab a bucket and get busy. But here you sit under a shade tree and are so busy planning an addition to the barn, you are oblivious to the sound of beams, joists and rafters crashing to the floor. What the political left needs to do is find itself a constituency, now that it got clobbered in the recall elections. Offering new plans to use other peoples money to satisfy the latest liberal wet dream will no longer get it done. You're a dinosaur, Lyle, on its way to creating a little more oil for the rest of us.
Nick Poulos July 9, 2012 at 10:08 pm
@Lyle: glad to see you are holding the standard high.For months Progressives, n especially Progressive Conservatives, have been less effective message-wise than the extreme, Ultra-Conservatives. "The Little Blue Book" by G Lakoff n E. Wehling, subtitled,"The essential guide to thinking and talking democratic."These "small government"idealists are not being truthful. The Private needs the Public.Rather than turn our nation over to big business,we need to invest in America's future: now!In the debate about "affordable care or "single payer", we need to emphasize that everyone's life depends upon "medicare for all". it is "The cure for a sick America....Patriotism requires Medicare for all." let's demonstrate how to uncover truth as opposed to swallowing the twaddle from the Koch et. al.crowd
Try this reversal: "Conservative officeholders who refuse to raise taxes as a matter of conservative principles are creating deficits." or, Take the myth of the family budget - clearly it is a"manipulation of the idea of deficits"-"The national budget does not function like a family budget at all." clearly,"Wealth disparity is power disparity. Extreme wealth results in political power that ordinary citizens do not have." And, "extreme conservatives seek to control women's sexuality and reproductive health by enacting what they characterize as 'small' policy proposals and measures..." the extreme conservatists inflict damage daily. It poisons the human spirit. It destroys democracy.
george warez July 9, 2012 at 10:20 pm
are you insane or simply full of yourself?

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