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Is It Time to Call for Mandatory National Service?

This piece examines the question whether or not American society would benefit from a system requiring mandatory national service for our youth.

I am of the age where military conscription was very much part of my generations lives.

For all males, when reaching the age of 18, we had to register for the military draft. When I registered it was right before the War in Vietnam escalated and going to war was the furthest thing in my mind. Within a little over a year, it was more than just a possibility but a strong probability.

From 1965 to 1973 hundreds of thousands were drafted into the military to supply the manpower to fight an unpopular war. Just as in previous generations, the military draft was not evenly applied to all eligible males. There were a number of legitimate means for avoiding the draft or service. In earlier times one could hire someone to serve in your place, but during the Vietnam Era one couldn’t hire someone to serve for you, but exemptions could be gained by attending college.

Many young men volunteered to serve in the National Guard or Reserves to avoid seeing actual combat, mitigating the risk yet still fulfilling their duty. It quickly became obvious that the military draft was discriminatory, with the vast majority of draftees coming from the lower and middle classes. The draft became such a contentious issue that the public will was to eliminate it and the military was more than happy to step away from dealing with draftees. In the perfect world of theory, an all-volunteer force could handle the future defense needs.

However, when we, as a nation, entered the 21st century and engaged in two major conflicts, some hard facts emerged questioning the wisdom of our decision to eliminate the draft.

From our shortsightedness, to barely provide enough troops to support the conflicts, we have activated National Guard units, called up reserves and required military personnel to repeatedly go into harm’s way with multiple deployments. It has had a devastating impact on a small percentage of the American population, but in general has not required the general American public to share in the sacrifice, that in the past accompanied major conflicts.

For most Americans, it has meant business as usual except for putting magnetic signs on cars supporting the troops and flying the flag. So uncommitted to the reality of war has been the population and our politicians, taxes have been significantly reduced, even as spending has increased to support the military. Now we have a situation of gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands because of the huge unfunded national debt we have accumulated over the last decade. There is a solution if we want to take it, Mandatory National Service for all males and females at the age of 19.

Under my proposal, all 19-year-old youth would be required to serve two years in National Service. This would include service in the military, service in public health, service in a new revitalized Civilian Conservation Corps, service in public schools, service in child welfare agencies and service in guarding the borders.

All able-bodied youth would go through four months of initial training to transition them from civilian life to service life. During this period of time they would be exposed to discipline, given a series of aptitude tests, and increase their general fitness levels. At the end of the training period they would be assigned to a service organization with the military and border patrol having the first pick. Based on fitness and aptitude, they then would be given further specialized training.  

The advantages to society would be to take the nation’s youth and mold them into citizens who understand the needs of a larger society, provide the nation with important services, teach them how to work, help them mature, understand directed and disciplined behavior, provide them with basic life skills and reduce the numbers of listless, goalless idle youth.

In my proposal the youth would be paid and housed, provided healthcare and could gain benefits for post-secondary education. For example: Those serving in the military and border patrol would be given funding for two years of post-secondary education at a public institution for each year of service. Others would receive one year for each year served. Other benefits could be low-cost financing for their first home purchase and low-cost financing for business start-ups.

I think that requiring mandatory public service would, over time, benefit the nation by everyone having to put some “skin into the game."

AWD May 5, 2012 at 01:35 am
There's no need to implement a draft, and the necessity will become less and less in the future as military technology and the accuracy of advanced weapons systems increases. America already has a manpower surplus pool, so if any conflict were to arise that required such ground based initiatives then I'm sure there wouldn't be a problem filling the ranks. The upcoming October Surprise; a conflict with Iran will resemble the air campaigns over Iraq, the Balkans, Libya, etc. The odds of the United States implementing a draft after the public backlash to Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan is highly unlikely. Also, have you noticed how all of the anti-war protests coming from the radical Progressives suddenly disappeared when Obama got selected? We're still in the Middle East doing Israel's bidding, yet there's no great outcry from the radical Progressives. No big rallies, marches, etc. When W was in office it was something every week. Now, nothing. And we just had the bloodiest month on record in Afghanistan...not a peep from MSNBC et al.
Brian Carlson May 5, 2012 at 01:48 pm
AWD.... its off to the side a bit but I agree with you. I dont know what my label is but I find little general difference on positions relative to war between our two parties. War is the biggest business our government has. BTW, you seem to slap down the progressives for being quiet about our military exploits (Afghanistan for instance) but where do you stand? What has the 1.3 trillion plus bought us in Afghanistan and Iraq? I would say it has lined the pockets of major American corporations, and has bred the next generation of American hating militants who have watched their countries burn. In a phrase I would say we have bought into a perpetual war.... very good for the bottom line but very bad for life on the planet.
Alfred May 5, 2012 at 02:13 pm
And I can always count on your radical leftists to be ignorant of world history, and US history. Public school dunderheads.
Brian Carlson May 5, 2012 at 02:27 pm
Alfred,
Which part of US history are you expert in? You challenge people with oblique stabs. Curious about the platform from which you address the people on this thread.
wfb51 May 5, 2012 at 04:02 pm
If we require their volunteering can they at least drink a beer legally?
Let's see, they can marry, be a soldier, buy a gun, drive, vote, BE REQUIRED TO SERVE (what?) but they still won't be able to go to a bar and order a drink.......
Kevin Presser May 5, 2012 at 08:45 pm
@ Lyle...That's an interesting concept, and I believe that the nation and the people would be improved with some kind of national service as you put it. I am, however, opposed to mandatory service. It didn't work very well in Vietnam or Korea. I enlisted in the Army in 1975 and retired in 1995. I saw the tail end of the draft era and the changeover to the full voluntary military. It is much more professional than the draftee military of yore. However, I think the government could 'coerce' national service by making federal benefits available to those who serve, and denying federal benefits to those who do not. For example, if you do not serve, you are not eligible for federal student loans or federally backed home loans. If you serve, you are eligible for those programs with some possible reduced rates. As I said, it is an interesting idea and well worth discussing.
Brian Dey May 6, 2012 at 02:54 am
I find it very interestin that you are asking for shared sacrifice, but when it comes to public unions, you sing a different tune.
AG May 6, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Once again sounds like government control of your life right up Obama street.
J. B. Schmidt May 6, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I like this proposal from the stand point of building national pride and that we have to may people sucking off the system that could be put to work.
Yet I have 2 major concerns: 1) Your statement "take the nation’s youth and mold them into citizens who understand the needs of a larger society" is a heavily progressive, it takes a village, type statement. While you include the military as one of the services; the rest belong to the nanny state empire being built in the US. A system as this would add huge layers of bureaucracy to an already bloated system. 2) The issue with today's idle youth has nothing to do with national service. The youth toady are being raised by a public education system to concerned with its own growth then the ability of our students to succeed. The goal of high school currently is not to create workers, but to push more and more kids into college. Clogging our system with young adults that should have been working a trade rather then getting a bachelors in Post-Modern Western European Fecal Drawing. If I could, I would amend your idea and incorporate into the high school curriculum. Require classes that include high community involvement in some of the areas you suggest. Give the ROTC higher access to recruiting. Return shop classes and apprentice work in the various trades, making low level shop classes required for graduation. Reducing the college burden to those that actually need further education.
Lyle Ruble May 6, 2012 at 01:52 pm
@J.B. Schmidt...It would not only be a program to build national pride, but would provide a program to meet many of the unmet needs of society. I am not talking about taking people and mold them into collectives and socialists. For example, the military and border patrol would be a minor segment of national service. We have tremendous needs to repair the nation's infrastructure, bridges, dams, etc. Just like in the 1930s, the CCC was able to improve infrastructure that we still enjoy today. We could put our qualified youth to work as teacher's aids in public schools, helping to improve education. We could also open public daycare facilities staff by youth to help with the drain on incomes from families so that parents can work. This is just a few examples. In this, I could care less about politics. Just like in our nation's beginnings, all eligible males participated in their local militias. As far as creating new levels of bureaucracies, I think that would be minimal and a small price to pay for the benefit gained.
As to your second concern; I whole support the idea of revamping public school curriculum. I have always thought that we have done a great disservice to our youth by not promoting skills development. As you know, I have written extensively about this subject in the past. However, mandatory service would help to teach and enhance skill levels. If the young person then wanted to go onto a post secondary program, the means would be available.
Lyle Ruble May 6, 2012 at 01:55 pm
@Brian Dey...Shared sacrifice yes, but it was unnecessary to strip collective bargaining rights to achieve the same goals. Your bias against public unions have blinded you to actual conditions.
Lyle Ruble May 6, 2012 at 02:06 pm
@Tulsa...It's a two sided coin. Germany used it for detrimental purposes but that doesn't mean it can't be used for the benefit of all. We must always balance individual sovereignty with communal sovereignty. It would seem that people would be patriotically motivated to serve.
Lyle Ruble May 6, 2012 at 02:09 pm
@Angry White Dude...Don't rely too much on technology. It doesn't work all that well in insurgent conflicts. We have a military designed to fight large standing armies not insurgent forces.
Lyle Ruble May 6, 2012 at 02:10 pm
@Alfred...Sorry my friend you're the one who is ignorant of world and national history. Has nothing to do with public school education.
Brian Dey May 6, 2012 at 03:41 pm
Not so Lyle- Believe what you want, but as someone who was on the inside, and still has contacts on the inside, that is a bunch of bull and yes, collective bargaining had to go. And please Lyle, there is no such thing as collective bargaining rights. I thought you were smarter than that.
GearHead May 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Lyle, I like the idea of better discipline, fitness and aptitude. But isn't this supposed to be going on during 12 years of public education? Madatory conscription into a liberal service group makes me ill-at-ease. You see, my idea of service would be volunteering to work with the NRA, in order to better appreciate the 2nd amendmant. This could be as simple as a summer of high school grads teaching the younger grades the finer arts of archery, skeet shooting and waterfoul hunting. Heaven knows we have an overpopulation of Canada honkers. While I might be stretching a little here, I think you get the point. My idea of service may be different than yours. How would you like that "service" if you don't like firearms?
The distinction here is voluntary. The pay for volunteering is somewhere between little and nothing, so we aren't spending money we don't have. We've seen the deleterious effect the draft has on the quality of the military, and it would have the same impact on the other services you describe. Our voluntary military, athough stretched thin in your mind, remains a superb force. This isn't by accident. It is because those that serve want to be there. There is a lesson there. Although I almost never agree with you, I never doubt your patriotism. Thank you for your service.
Lyle Ruble May 7, 2012 at 01:19 pm
@GearHead...Unfortunately our public education system has not done a good job in teaching discipline. For many, there isn't family support to instill such discipline. Therefore, the initial period teaches that discipline. I remember when I entered into "boot camp", we had a gaggle of undisciplined youth, but by the third week we had learned the necessary discipline to continue our training. Discipline allows single purpose to achieve goals.
I wouldn't object at all for youth to be teaching firearm safety and firearm skills. As a matter of fact we could have a much more extensive program if we attached a cadet corps to the DNR. This group could also work in wetlands restoration and other projects to help in the environment and conservation. Most hunters I know are very much concerned with conservation. During the training period, aptitude tests would be done to help assign people to various fields that they may be interested in or a proclivity for. As far as making service mandatory, I think it would not carry the same impact and there wouldn't be the necessary motivation to carry through with projects. As far as costs are concerned, how much are idle youth costing us now? I think it would cut down considerably on out of wedlock pregnancies, crimes committed by youth, etc. I appreciated your kind words and willingness to consider additional options.
skinnyDUDE May 7, 2012 at 04:03 pm
Another expansive and costly Indoctrination program is not the answer. The massive government run public education at least teaches us all this . Let's focus on changing that and getting back to teaching freedom ,liberty, self governed lives and the responsibilities that go with it. We the people would be far better off than yet another liberal pipe dream . It will never happen in my lifetime so lets leave it at that. America teaches that self success cant be mandated by the government . Focus on fixing schools before starting another doomed idea.
In the past, Lyle you wrote of that in one of your prior articles . You were definitely closer to the right track there. At least there we all agree public education has become pretty much a enormous failure. Clearly, with the massive deficit we face there would be no stomach for another so called Liberal Right to tell American's how to live their lives.
Donna Kiefer May 8, 2012 at 01:07 am
As the proud parent of a couple of those "listless, goalless idle youth", I totally disagree with your proposal. You can not require anyone to volunteer - see any dictionary for the definition of that word.
My children, and their friends, are not idle and goalless. They work. They try hard to get an education so that they can support themselves as adults. They play sports, music and do scouting and other community service. Just because there are some youth that are hopeless (and whose fault is that?) - does not mean that you can use a stroke of the pen to paint them all as idle bums. Open your eyes to the quiet majority that are good, and even productive! junior members of society. Our society has vilified skilled trades for so long, and lowered the value of most work to the point that even a good college education may not be enough to get a job that pays a living wage.Forcing a two year wait in the midst of higher education will only delay even longer the time until these youth become full "adult" members of the community. God bless those that do serve in our military - and my husband and I are among that number - but YOU may not decide to draft MY family, and, incidentally, my paycheck - to pay for a program to fix a problem that doesn't exist. And, by the way, this proposal is a fascist idea, not a "liberal" one.
Lyle Ruble May 8, 2012 at 02:28 am
@Donna Kiefer...Where did I say volunteer? I clearly stated mandatory, not voluntary. What debt do your children owe this society and community in which they live? T hey have been blessed with an abundance of unearned and undeserved privileges. Everything has a price associated with it and the fulfillment of returning to the nation two years of service is not too much to expect. To finish their service by the time they reach age 21 or 22 is not an unreasonable delay.
I agree that not all youth are goalless and idle, but just because your children and others aren't doesn't mean that they should be exempt from serving the needs of a greater society. What price is freedom and citizenship. You are obviously unaware of the world outside the confines of your world. We are only as strong as our youth and doing what we can do to strengthen their preparation to join society is a small price to pay for the benefits gained. BTW this proposal is no more fascist than serving in scouting.
Lyle Ruble May 8, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@Tulsa...Your dad and uncles were not the only ones that fought for freedom in WW II. My family all served and when it was my turn, I served. It is the duty of each generation to assure current and future freedom. To me that doesn't translate to being ungrateful, but paying a fair share for liberty earned and maintained.
I am not advocating State Worship as did Hitler and Stalin demanded. Why should so small a portion of the population put themselves in harms way? Shouldn't we all sacrifice a little for the greater good?
Bob McBride May 8, 2012 at 02:24 pm
Tulsa unless you want to go back to subsistence living (and that means making all your own stuff, finding all your own food, fighting others for your own personal survival, etc...) there's always going to be a greater good. I'm not 100% with Lyle on this, but there are some benefits to it. I've never met a kid who was fully developed in all ways at the age of 18 and who probably couldn't benefit from some sort of service position where they're doing something that benefits more then just themselves. I also look at it as a way to kill two birds with one stone. There are things that we pay for as taxpayers that could be done by these kids. Lyle probably hasn't even considered the possibility of programs such as this eliminating the need for some public employment positions that pay at a higher rate and offer expensive benefits - but I have.
Donna Kiefer May 8, 2012 at 05:11 pm
The youth will pay back to the family and community for the "gifts" that were provided to them. They will pay their taxes and work to support themselves and their future families, just as their parents and grandparents have worked to support them. All of us have received "unearned" contributions from previous generations, so why should this requirement to pay back to society be limited to 19 year olds then? Of course, I also believe that if a society deems certain benefits to be good and necessary, that society should pay for those benefits - that is what taxes and ballots are for. To have "society" decide to require payment from only one segment (19 yr olds) seems grossly unfair to me.
Ask any career military person if they want to return to the days of conscripts and they will tell you "no, thank you!". There are many good reasons why we went to an all volunteer force after the Vietnam Era debacle and it has improved our military and our security immensely. I respectfully submit that compulsory "service" is not a good idea. Yes, there are places in the world that require it's citizens to be trained in the military and be members of a national guard. If I lived in a place that is constantly under attack, I may have a different opinion, but this is the USA - not Israel. Do I believe in community service as an integral part of citizenship? Yes. I have instilled that into my children, and I practice what I preach. Do I think we should forcibly command this service? No.
Donna Kiefer May 8, 2012 at 05:13 pm
And, I respectfully submit, that since you do not know me, my background experience nor my level of involvement in the world that you should keep to yourself the opinion that I don't know anything "outside the confines" of my world.
One of the major illnesses of our society comes from the inability of many of it's adults to have disagreements in a rational fashion without resorting to personal attacks and incivility. If an idea can't stand on it's own merits, trying to belittle a person in order to throw up a smokescreen is rather - well, lame is a word the kids might use. Have a good day.
Lyle Ruble May 8, 2012 at 05:46 pm
@Donna Kiefer....You seem to think that it is sufficient to pay one's taxes and use the ballot box to pay one's debt to a free and independent society. The reason for selecting 19 year old youth for service is that this will allow them to finish their primary and secondary education and before they begin any post secondary education. This age group would be least affected by a two year interruption. They not only capable of the active required, but are probably capable of reaching physical fitness without problem.
Our nation has struggled with ever extending youth dependency. The current conditions have many adult children still living with their families of origin because of reduced opportunities that previous generations have had. Pulling youth out of the workforce for a two year period and will help better use the available manpower in the employment sector. If you add two to four years of education after completion of service, entering the workforce at an older and more mature age with valuable skills learned from mandatory service and advanced education. Those who choose to enter the workforce right after completion of service are better prepared to take advantage of employment opportunities, including OJT skills training such as the skilled trades. I am fully aware of how the professional military feels about conscription and there is much to be said for that position. However, there are offsetting benefits for using conscription, including force strength.
Lyle Ruble May 8, 2012 at 06:00 pm
@Donna Kiefer...I was headed to a career in the military and spent nine years on active duty. But, my life took an unexpected turn when I couldn't fly any longer and left the service. I know the challenges of multiple deployments and how it directly impacts the service member and their family. However, the military would only select those conscriptees who are suited for military service; physically, mentally, emotionally and skill levels. I think you would find that this select group to provide the best of the best of the military.
In response to your statement about other nations requiring compulsory service; the last time I checked, Denmark isn't under constant threat to their security. You seem to be overly focused on the military, but very few would serve in the armed services in comparison to the other service corps. You still haven't provided a good reason why compulsory service is not a good idea. In defense of mandatory service, it would provide immense benefit to the nation, our youth and would have a minimum impact on the lives of those who serve. I agree with your statement that I don't know you. I can only go by what you have written and little else. However, from what you have written it would be rational to assume you have a very narrow view of the wider issues. This is not an insult but a statement of perceptual fact.
skinnyDUDE May 8, 2012 at 09:17 pm
BRAVO DONNA .....you got the pulse of this article NAILED!
skinnyDUDE May 9, 2012 at 03:11 am
@Lyle ...that comment is just like me saying to you . Given what I have read from you it is obvious that you live in some sort of ignorant academic bubble . One that suggest solution after solution that will obviously not be implemented or succeed. So what is the point ? You toss an insult at her atleast have the guts to admit it .
Lyle Ruble May 9, 2012 at 10:53 am
@skinnyDUDE...If the shoe fits? I admit that there are times when I do approach issues on theoretical levels and if that's an academic bubble, that's what it is. I don't deny it, but also many issues can be raised, debated and defended based on ideological principles and potential. Solutions are not drafted and achieved by only one idea, but through hammering out by varying interests. Donna Kiefer has raised legitimate objections that deserve to be answered, even though I find her perspective to be very narrow. That's not an insult to her or her intelligence.
skinnyDUDE May 9, 2012 at 02:06 pm
@Lyle Unfortunately , like to many liberals your "Theoretical" Level approach for ideas is void of common sense . This idea is obviously something most American's would view as Radical! Even Democrats wouldn't support it . That appears to be something that never even dawn's on you .
That's why it's an idea from a bubble . Because you don't immediately recognize the obvious. Don't feel too bad, it has happen to our President as well .

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