Will They or Won't They? No Plans Yet for Pasch, Darling Debate

Pasch says Darling refuses to debate; Incumbent's campaign says that's not the case.

With less than four weeks to go before she squares off against state Sen. Alberta Darling in the recall election, state Rep. Sandy Pasch says she’s ready for a public debate.

Pasch, a Democrat from Whitefish Bay vying for Darling's 8th District Senate seat in the Aug. 9 election, said also she is miffed as to why the Republican incumbent turned down requests for two debates.

However, Darling's campaign says there will be "a couple" of a debates, it's just that the details haven't yet been worked out.

Pasch, in a statement, said she was disappointed by Darling's rejection of requests for debates that came from two special-interest groups, Disability Rights Wisconsin and Advocates for Education.

"Now that we've completed the wasteful, dishonest, GOP-concocted primary, I had hoped Senator Darling would begin taking debate requests seriously, but clearly that is not the case," Pasch said. "I cannot be more disappointed to hear Senator Darling is not interested in addressing the important issues facing some of the most vulnerable in our society.

"We are still waiting on Darling to confirm a date for additional reputable hosts, but have been given no sign of good intent," Pasch added.

However, Darling campaign manager Andrew Davis told Patch Thursday that while while the campaign declined these particular invitations, the two candidates will go head to head before Election Day.

"Both sides have agreed to a couple forums, but there's only a month (before the election) and Senator Darling needs to spend her time talking to voters," Davis said.

Pasch spokesman Dave Kreisman said the Democrat has been ready to go with the two forums for a while, and the campaign has been waiting on Darling's office to respond.

"Time is running out," he said. "We've been chomping at the bit."

to advance to the general recall election.

Desiree Erickson July 16, 2011 at 03:45 PM
Mr. Sykes - Before posting this reply, I viewed your link to fox6 and think it lacks facts and depth. I know, from speaking with Whitefish Bay School District Administrators, that School District representatives are reluctant to offer projections regarding the impact of the 2011-2013 State Budget on the 2012 School District Budget. Public school administrators should want to maintain the appearance of public schools being in good shape in order to prevent a decline in student enrollment and the subsequent decline in state funding. Our public schools are in a tough spot. If public school representatives publicize the negative impact of state budget cuts to education they risk declining enrollment, but if they don't, we risks losing the high quality education we currently enjoy in the North Shore (good teachers, small class size, and advanced placement classes). Senator Darling's efforts to expand the school voucher program puts even greater pressure on our public school administrators to keep up appearances. I can see why Senator Darling declined the Advocates for Education debate invitation. Senator Darling's voting record on public education seems indefensible. I welcome factual in depth information on the future of our public schools.
Jay Sykes July 16, 2011 at 04:21 PM
@Desiree Erickson... I concur with and reiterate the very last line of your post, 'I welcome factual in depth information on the future of our public schools.'
Mark S July 18, 2011 at 04:39 AM
Are we in Ireland? We don't have 'pubs' here idiot. Call it what you what you want, but Sandy's vote looks good only after 10 pints laddie......
LEFTY July 18, 2011 at 01:26 PM
Mark- so you call me an idiot for using the word "pub" but then give me permission to call it what I want? Mark- you can do better than that. Let's see, maybe you could try out these pubs in the Milwaukee area. Mo's Irish Pub Trinity Three Irish Pubs John Hawks Pub Brocach Irish Pub Mulligan Irish Pub and Grill The Irish Pub Just to name a few Mark. Top of the Morning to you Laddie.
Vicki Bennett July 18, 2011 at 02:32 PM
Getting back to the debate and the reasons for calling for a primary and delaying the recall elections to perform gerrymandering, I've come to the conclusion that Alberta Darling doesn't want to debate because she'll have to admit that she considers Shorewood the ghetto of the North Shore. Isn't it interesting that the very educated, i.e., the UWM community who are state employees, tend to lean to the left. I don't think it is just because of the unions, I believe they truly know from studying the issues, that the Rebublicans are wrong. Of course, whenever there is a coup in a country, some of the first to be executed are the professors.
CowDung July 18, 2011 at 02:58 PM
Which of those pubs would I have to visit to have my 'free' chat with Sandy?
CowDung July 18, 2011 at 03:00 PM
If Sandy isn't smart enough to charge people to attend her fundraisers, I'm not sure that I want her representing me in Madison...
235301 July 18, 2011 at 03:10 PM
Vicki: From a self preservation standpoint what do you think happens to these University employees when the govt spigot is turned down? Why their pay is cut. So it's in their best interest to support oversized govt spending. To them, who cares if we run a deficit as long as "I got mine". Further, it's just liberal smugness, "I'm smarter than you thus your opinion doesn't matter." Being a university professor makes you more intelligent than the rest of us? Come now. We all know the old adage those that can do, those that can't teach. This is no more truer than at the University level. My best university professors were folks that didn't do it on a full time basis and were industry professionals that were gracious enough to pass their knowledge on by teaching classes from time to time. Most full time university professors are so disconnected from reality they would need a GPS and seeing eye dog to find their way. And when was the last time we had a coup in the US? Stop with the silly arguments.
Vicki Bennett July 18, 2011 at 03:24 PM
Ha, ha! Few go into academics to get rich. You took my arguments too literally. Are you intimidated by the very educated? Further, I didn't say a coup in the U.S.--"in a country." This is the problem with the conservatives. If you don't agree with them, you're being silly. My whole point behind my post was to insist that Darling debate the issues. Her message to the residents of Shorewood is, "If you won't support me, I'll get rid of you." She needs to DEBATE with Pasch!!! She needs to be ANSWERABLE for her actions!!!
Bob McBride July 18, 2011 at 03:37 PM
Nah, actually I think letting you crawl into bed with your ideological cohorts in the 4th district is exactly the right thing to do. You're never going to be satisfied with anything Darling has to say anyways - this will be better for you. Go talk to Lena Taylor - while it's not an interstate call. You never know when she's gonna make another run for the border
LEFTY July 18, 2011 at 03:56 PM
Well Bob- if Darling ever met with her constiuents but alas because she is mute on everything except exclaiming that Ryan is her hero and fully supports his radical ideas we really can't determine how satisfied we truly are with her. Let's hear her speak Bob. She still represents the 8th district unless Walker suddenly interprets the polls differently. Where is she Bob? Is she hiding behind her security gate in River Hills?
Lyle Ruble July 18, 2011 at 06:01 PM
@235301...Wow, a business school graduate? Where you a member of a frat too?
Vicki Bennett July 18, 2011 at 06:33 PM
Bob McBride II--By this comment, you just proved my point. If we don't agree, why debate. Just throw us out. You're closed minded and the reason that I have trouble with the views of the far right. Everything in life is NOT business. It is caring for each other and about each other. If you agree with Darling, you'd sell you soul for the almighty dollar. You'd also flip-flop for your own gain. Perhaps I wouldn't be swayed by her point of view, but I deserve to hear hers and BE HEARD. Unfortunately, she's only allowing us to express ourselves on this blog. Interesting how she has her minions monitoring Patch.
CowDung July 18, 2011 at 06:40 PM
Vicki: Since when are debates between candidates an opportunity for people like you to 'be heard'? By your use of all caps, it seems that you care more about being heard by Darling than listening to anything she has to say...
Jay Sykes July 18, 2011 at 06:41 PM
@Bob McBride II... you're right, it's not an interstate call to talk to Lena Taylor, but it is a toll call. The number you have reached has been disconnected; No further information is available.
ike July 18, 2011 at 06:51 PM
So many Darling supporters complain that Pasch has yet to develop an alternative to the current budget bill. My guess is that Pasch is waiting to answer that demand in the form of a debate. Why is Darling refusing to debate? She's been doing this long enough to be able to hold her ground in a debate against a relatively new political figure. Without name-calling, does anyone have a reasonable speculative response? Has anyone heard anyone from Darling's camp respond to the debate request?
Bob McBride July 18, 2011 at 06:55 PM
Vicki, After all the buffoonery your side has participated in since the start of this year, it's impossible to take you seriously anymore. You've been heard, you're ridiculous. Lena Taylor is a symbol of all you support. Go to her. You'll be much happier there. The Republicans have done you a big favor by uniting you with your comrades in progressivism. Thank them, and thank me for helping to put them in office in the first place.
Bob McBride July 18, 2011 at 07:00 PM
So Pasch is allowing Darling to dictate the release of her budget bill alternative? That makes sense, Ike. You folks really know how the challenge the elasticity of an argument to the extreme, that's for sure.
Lyle Ruble July 18, 2011 at 07:02 PM
@Bob McBride II & Jay Sykes...There's nothing wrong with being in the 4th. What's disconcerting is getting banished out of the "North Shore" because I don't agree with the king and the king's tyranny. Bob, as you have said; "elections have consequences". Who would have ever 'thunk' that this is the result of exercising our first amendment rights of free speech. Funny thing, even if my vote doesn't count in the 8th, I'll probably keep pointing out the 8th's blemishes.
Bob McBride July 18, 2011 at 07:11 PM
Lyle, This entire ridiculous episode, courtesy of your side, has been about trying to undo my vote in the last election because you guys don't agree with me. I'm not particularly sympathetic. If you didn't want this to turn into a 3 ring circus, you guys should have thought of that before you all got in the clown car and headed up to Madison to put on the Greatest Show in Earthshoes. It's too little, too late at this point.
235301 July 18, 2011 at 07:13 PM
Lyle: Wrong and wrong. Not business school and I couldn't hate the whole frat boy mentality any more than I do. Never understood people that subjected themselves to humiliation(hazing) just to be a part of the club. FYI: I work with academics all the time and find them for the most part to be nice people but very disconnected from reality. Academia shelters them. And bends over backwards to tell them how smart they are. In this context it's easy to understand that they cannot fathom an opinion different than theirs or "gasp", that their's might be completely wrong.
Jay Sykes July 18, 2011 at 07:37 PM
@Lyle Ruble.... You know what they say....Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets replaced.
CowDung July 18, 2011 at 07:45 PM
Here's Pasch's "alternative" to the BRB according to her 'SandyforSenate' website: "The choices being made in the Darling and Walker budget will threaten the quality of our schools, services within our local communities, and programs provided to some of our most vulnerable populations." http://sandyforsenate.com/content/sample-issue Considering that the budget repair bill was the reason for the Darling recall (and Pasch's run for the Senate), it's pretty bad that Pasch can't even put together two sentences to express an actual position on the state budget...
Lyle Ruble July 18, 2011 at 08:02 PM
@235301...Thank you for clarifying that you actually have an education. However, discounting academics doesn't help in their isolation from what you refer to as the real world. Academia provides valuable resources to the rest of society and we shouldn't be rejecting them or their ideas just because they are academics.
ike July 18, 2011 at 08:32 PM
Bob McBride II - And you folks sure know how to twist and mince words to make yourselves look favorably. Pasch is not allowing Darling to do anything, not sure where you got that from. I speculated that Pasch may want to unveil her plan during the debate. Since Darling is refusing to tackle an political debate, Pasch will probably unveil her plans in other ways like with actions. For starters: http://www.jsonline.com/business/124324829.html
ike July 18, 2011 at 08:34 PM
also... I like your use of the word "dictate" in your reply. So fitting for Walker et al.'s administration. Very clever Bob!
Bob McBride July 18, 2011 at 08:58 PM
Apparently Sandy doesn't understand that when a government funded entity floats a bond, the taxpayer is not "off the hook" for the interest on that bond or the cost of floating it. Not a real good choice there, Ike. Keep guessing and digging. You might hit something yet.
Bob McBride July 18, 2011 at 10:15 PM
i was working under the assumption that the monies would be given out to company's that thrive and subsequently pay it back, but you're right, Joe. if they're grants or if the companies can't pay it back, we're on the hook for the principal as well.
Craig Johnson July 18, 2011 at 11:09 PM
The tea party Darling doesn't want to debate, because she won't answer the question of whether she supported the phony elections that cost thousands of taxpayer dollars - "no comment - that was my party, not me" won't cut it in a debate.
235301 July 19, 2011 at 01:37 AM
Lyle: absolutely agree that academics have a very important role in our society, particularly with their research and bringing new technologies to industry. However, to hold academics up as some beacon of truth when it comes to how we should spend tax dollars and redistribute wealth is just absurd. The original poster, Vicki, was saying we should follow the lead of academics because they spend more time studying the issues and anyone in conflict with their position is just plain wrong. Academics are far less capable of providing an opinion on these issues because they are too far removed from reality and the real pressures the rest of us have to deal with on a day to day basis. They should simply have one vote like the rest of us and no bigger voice.


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