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Death Threats — It’s Time to Dial Down the Passion and Rhetoric

This article deals with the contentious issue of impassioned rhetoric and the making of physical threats.

Wednesday, June 6, 2012: I awoke this morning after yesterday’s election to be greeted by people on various social media, making threats, either directly or indirectly, against the life of Gov. Scott Walker, his wife and even his children.

This is absolutely irresponsible and unacceptable behavior by those making the threats.

I don’t care how impassioned the contest is and how disappointed one is, no elected official should ever be subjected to threats towards them or their families. This type of behavior makes it impossible to engage in a meaningful dialogue. It cheapens the cause in which one is supporting and detracts from the credibility of one’s position.

We saw this type of behavior emerge shortly after the budget repair bill protests began and now that Gov. Walker and Lt. Governor Rebecca Kleefisch have been reaffirmed after winning the recall against them, it is rearing its ugly head again. We on the left must make a stand and strongly condemn this thuggish behavior, stopping it whenever it emerges.

It is my hope that the media investigates the perpetrators and when identified, spread their names and images all over the front pages and the TV screens; followed by prosecution to the full extent of the law.

We on the left must take the moral high ground and refuse to be a part of such unsavory activity. I know how disrupting and unsettling such threats can be after experiencing threats from the extreme right. Let cooler heads prevail.

Brian Dey June 12, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Are unions not special interest groups? Have they not been lobbying for more friendly legislation, pouring millions into politicians and ideas that favor their cause? Hasn't their cause gone global? It's all out there for you to read Bren.
Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it hasn't existed. It simply means you are uniformed. Study up ;p
Brian Dey June 12, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Bren- Yes, those are outdated ideas because that is not what public sector unions do now. Most public sector union members have no idea where their dues are going in regards to political activity, and all don't have a choice of opting out. Further, union dues in the public sector do not fund their pensions or health care. We, the taxpayers do.
The unions have evolved into something my father, a former national leader of the Steelworkers union in 50's thru 70's, finds disgusting. Unions have been a means to protect poor employees, not advance better employees. They have become the number one political arm of the Democrat Party. And the Democratis Party numbers far more millionaire and billionaire donors than the Republicans. Your father's memories of his days in the union and the benefits received were of better days of the labor movement. Sadly, today 's unions are not the unions of your father's time.
Lyle Ruble June 13, 2012 at 12:10 am
@Brian Dey...Who are the unions ruling? To be an oligarch you have to have the wealth and power to rule. That certainly doesn't describe the unions. At there strongest in the mid 1950s they only represented 50% of labor and by today they private unions only represent somewhere around 7% of the private work force. When you include public employee unions, it jumps to a whopping 13.6%. So where's the power and the oligarchy? Remember union leadership is elected and not appointed.
Unions lost most of their in 1947 with the enactment of the Taft-Hartley Act. They were prohibited from most job actions including, wildcat strikes, solidarity strikes, etc. The only action possible was strikes after contract termination and the support of political candidates. For your information, it is illegal for union dues to be used to support candidates. My wife has been with AFSCME for nearly 16 years and for all of that time, if she wanted to contribute politically through the union, she had to contribute to the union PAC. You just don't have a clue and most of your opinions are based on suppositions and inaccurate beliefs.
Lyle Ruble June 13, 2012 at 12:15 am
@Brain Dey...I don't believe you know to play nice. You're position and attitude is only going to make things worse.
I understand your position and support of those who pay your bills and are critical to your livelihood. You are dependent on wealthy people, companies and the government contracts for your business. You know what side your bread is buttered on.
Brian Dey June 13, 2012 at 01:04 am
Lyle- Tell that to the National Education Association:
"93 percent of donations made by National Education Association political action committees and individual officers went to Democrats, according to OpenSecrets.org. According to the NEA's own “Status of the American Public School Teacher 2005-2006,” (latest available data produced March 2010) only 41 percent of public school teachers are Democrats. A Wall Street Journal editorial revealed that the National Education Association — the nation's largest teachers union — “is spending the mandatory dues paid by members who are told their money will be used to gain better wages, benefits and working conditions. According to the latest filing, member dues accounted for $295 million of the NEA's $341 million in total receipts last year. But the union spent $25 million of that on 'political activities and lobbying' and another $65.5 million on 'contributions, gifts and grants' that seemed designed to further those hyper-liberal political goals.” It is not illegal so you should check your facts. http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_67.htm. So before you ponificate to me, please read a little further than the Daily Kos.
Brian Dey June 13, 2012 at 01:08 am
Really Lyle? We've played nice with the lefties as they led us down a path to socialism. I believe if you win two elections in one term, it would be considered a mandate. It is time to finish the job started. I hope the Dems get a clue that at least in Wisconsin, the Socialist Agenda is dead.
And really Lyle, talk about suppostion when you presume to know my client base.
Lyle Ruble June 13, 2012 at 01:52 am
@Brian Dey...I can't justify the NEA using union dues to support political campaigns. It is just wrong. Thanks for the information.
Lyle Ruble June 13, 2012 at 01:57 am
@Brian Dey...Liberals won't go away no matter how hard you try. As you are aware, these things are cyclic in nature and swing back and forth like a pendulum. The dichotomy is necessary to keep each side honest.
Money Bagger June 13, 2012 at 09:32 am
Only is Wisconsin!
Can Billionaires convince Voters they make too little, And Teachers make too much!
Bob McBride June 13, 2012 at 10:52 am
Perfect example of how to dial down the passion and rhetoric. You must be chunky style.
Brian Dey June 13, 2012 at 11:46 am
Public opinion is swaying right of center. Even former President Bill Clinton have moved right of center on fiscal policies. More and more are figuring out that all these social programs and benefits cost us dearly and have created fiscal nightmares.
Yes, I do think the ultra-liberal movement is dying and a lot of it is self-inflicted. Demonstrations such as the ones in Madison and the Occupy movement have exposed an idealogoy that the general masses don't agree with. Extremism by either side does not play well to the middle. But the right is in a center-right movement, not an extreme as some have suggested. The policies put forth by Walker and others is common sense and that is why since 2010, conservatives are winning elections.
Brian Dey June 13, 2012 at 11:48 am
Not just Wisconsin Skippy! You are seeing a national move to austerity measures.
J. B. Schmidt June 13, 2012 at 01:16 pm
@Lyle
I took my child to a Tea Party rally because I knew it would be a good experience for my child. I was right. Everyone was respectful, the tone was upbeat and it was great to show my child that adults can gather peacefully. It was upon our exit where we were shown the contrast in sensibilities. What you fail to accept is the different approaches taken by the opposing sides. We will you remove your plutocrat oligarchy B.S. (since those words can be applied to almost any authority figure and produce a false positive). The tea party rallies were filled with people exhibiting a strong love for country and a determination to leave it better then they inherited it (something that cannot be said for the majority of the boomer generation). They were supporting the democratic process and political figures willing to stick their necks out to return power to the people. In contrast, the unions, teachers and public employees were marching around the capital (many with kids and strollers) mad that they had lost some of their privileges they had been falsely been told were rights. Unions had pumped them full of anger from propaganda and lies. Hence, they interacted in mass with the tea party with hate (a reaction not displayed in reverse). Emotion fueled their rage and not logic. This is why I think your article is grossly disingenuous. The divide was not equally produced. You can't now take the high ground, when your side excavated the low ground.
Lyle Ruble June 13, 2012 at 02:14 pm
@J.B. Schmidt...You never cease to amaze me. Subjecting your son to a situation like that would hardly be something that I would call a "good experience". A reasonable person would understand that there would be a high probability of confrontation given the mood of participants, especially with union activists there. Why is it so difficult for you to see and admit that you probably didn't exercise the best judgement.
When all else fails, blame it on the "boomers".
Greg June 13, 2012 at 02:45 pm
Billionaires didn't convince me of anything.
Bob McBride June 13, 2012 at 02:53 pm
Meanwhile, on the national front (Nick still around here? I'd enjoy hearing him explain this one away....)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/obama-trade-document-leak_n_1592593.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D169383 I guess it all depends on whose billionaires are doing the convincing. Make sure you get out the vote for this guy in November in order to defeat the evil billionaires, Skippy.
J. B. Schmidt June 13, 2012 at 02:55 pm
@Lyle
Oh Great One, what is the proper age for a political rally? Were the kids the teachers were walking over to union protests in Madison old enough? In fact, why were teachers walking kids there anyway, at least my son was under the supervision of his parent. You are completely missing the problem here. It is not my poor parenting, as I will restate there were many children walking around the capital that day holding 'Support the Teachers' signs and I personally know of teacher families that made the trip to protest the governor over the course of the past year; this is about the liberal demonstrators lacking all self control because they were emotional charged by union/democrat propaganda. Had I known that your ilk lacked all decency and was willing to attack a man and his child with vile verbal insults; my son would not have come. Hindsight being what it is, I know understand that liberals have no bottom floor when it comes to civility. If my open mindedness and tolerance allowed me to accept that liberals were still virtuous people, that rally and your present attack on parenting only supports my complete lack of respect for the liberal mindset. Let me be clear, the Tea Party was good and the speakers respectable. It was the union thugs as we tried to leave that instigated the situation. Even then, the Tea Party participants left peacefully not lowering ourselves to the behavior of the liberals.
J. B. Schmidt June 13, 2012 at 02:59 pm
@Greg
Billionaires convince me that I am not rich enough and that if I try hard enough I to can have their money and power. MUWHAHAHA
Steve ® June 13, 2012 at 03:10 pm
Only in Wisconsin!
Did we take care of our budget deficit and save public workers jobs
Greg June 13, 2012 at 04:07 pm
A fun Recall video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC_ult6-Tb4&feature=related
conservachick June 13, 2012 at 04:20 pm
Here is some studying for you, Bren:
"Andy Stern's (one of Obama's favorite White House visitors) Service Employees Union has established a worldwide network of security-guard unions as the first of what the union hopes will be a series of organizing campaigns for workers in a variety of occupations here and abroad. Former labor leader and U.S. Under Secretary of Labor Jack Henning eloquently explained why such steps are urgent and essential: "We were never meant to be beggars at the table of wealth. We were never meant to be the lieutenants of capitalism. We were never meant to be the pall bearers of the workers of the world. Global unionism is the answer to global capitalism. There is no other answer." http://www.dickmeister.com/id253.html
conservachick June 13, 2012 at 04:38 pm
Only in America
Can Obama donors convince voters, including the middle class, that they need to pay more for their energy ...while they get rich AND land high ranking positions "Several of Barack Obama's top campaign supporters went from soliciting political contributions to working from within the Energy Department as it showered billions in taxpayer-backed stimulus money on alternative energy firms, ABC News and iWatch News have learned" http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/obama-fundraisers-ties-green-firms-federal-cash/story?id=14592626
Lyle Ruble June 13, 2012 at 05:04 pm
@J.B. Schmidt...Anyone who take their kids into a situation like those demonstration, no matter their political leanings, is not using the best judgement.
J. B. Schmidt June 13, 2012 at 05:28 pm
@Lyle
Of course your right. I take full responsibility for the childish actions of the liberal left. Just curious though, is your attack on my parenting the proper way to "dial down passion and rhetoric"? I thought maybe that meant getting back to the issues within politics, not the same old personal attacks liberals have made famous. There I go again keeping an open mind to the idea of liberal virtue.
Lyle Ruble June 13, 2012 at 06:10 pm
@J.B. Schmidt.... Some things aren't right including what occurred in Madison. However, when you used your experience as anecdotal evidence to make the point defining your point, it is my contention that both sides need to clean it up and dial it down.
Brian Carlson June 13, 2012 at 09:41 pm
Reading this thread its obvious to me that the issue preventing any sort of collaboration in our state is fundamentalism, not the specific beliefs of either "side." The take that the OTHER is always wrong, the stereotyping and monolithic thinking behind saying liberals think this or Republicans do that.... the ignorance of assuming one's own perspective is accurate, all encompassing and that whoever doesn't agree with it is misinformed, deluded, or even your enemy.... these things... are what hold us back. My god one guy here wants to warn the other side that they will be attacked by conservative deer hunters who are very skilled with their weapons.... lunacy. But there are less extreme statements that come from the same sort of narrow mindedness and even desire for a fight.
lolo peeg June 22, 2012 at 02:51 am
I agree with Lyle, amazingly enough. My only comment is that it is worth keeping in mind that the death threats and innuendos, and the raunchy comments about Lt. Gov. Kleefisch and female GOP senators, started February 2011, and I can't recall that Republicans ever responded in kind. Its dangerous to generalize, but I think conservatives are better at decorum and behaving themselves. Bad behavior almost seems endemic among some lefties. Lyle is a voice of sanity, but he will be drowned out by the radicals in his party
lolo peeg June 22, 2012 at 02:56 am
The difference is this: Taxpayers pay the salaries and benefits of the government sector employees, whereas (most) billionaires made their money on their own.
lolo peeg June 22, 2012 at 03:05 am
I agree with Brian and Lyle. Liberalism will never die (because there are lots of lazy people that would rather stick their hands out than work for a living), nor will conservatives (because many will want to work hard, get ahead, and live better). Conservatives need to be continually vigilant, because there will always be lazy people who try to appropriate what the wealthy have earned.
lolo peeg June 22, 2012 at 03:18 am
I agree . WEAC is THE problem. The demonstrations of 2011 at the Capitol showed us the true face of compassionate liberalism--Gov. Walker in crosshairs and likened to Hitler, etc. etc. I never saw the political right respond in kind. Au contraire, our Governor was the model of decorum and decency.

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