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POLL: Should the First Amendment Protect Hate Speech?

The shooter in Sunday's Sikh Temple slayings was connected to the white-supremacy music scene. Does that sort of expression deserve First Amendment protection?

Last Sunday’s tragic shootings at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek turned another spotlight on “hate speech” when the shooter, Wade Michael Page, was connected to the , also known as “hatecore.”

Earlier this summer, a different version of hate speech came to southeast Wisconsin when members of the tiny but vocal in Brookfield and Oak Creek. They carried signs with phrases such as “God Hates Fags” and “Your Pastors are Whores.”

While one seemed at least loosely connected to a grisly mass murder and the other resulted in an uneventful protest, both forms of expression are protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Interpretations of and debate over that simple, powerful statement have continued for more than 200 years. From obscenity to libel to direct threats, government continually redefines what is exactly free speech. Patch blogger Lyle Ruble analyzes the matter in his most recent post, finally deciding that . The Supreme Court recently backed the Westboro Baptist Church’s protests at military funerals.

Do you agree that hate speech deserves First Amendment protection? Vote in our poll and join the discussion in our Comments section.

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Andrew Ruble August 12, 2012 at 08:00 pm
@ Lyle and Randy, again another ad hominem claim; however, @Annie, I understand where they are coming from with their concerns. I recommend reading McIntosh on “White Privilege and Male Privilege,” because it seems that you do not quite understanding the purpose and need for support groups. As an ethicist, I recommend thinking about the things that you cannot personally do as a white female that is unquestionably okay for white men to do. The sexism between men and women is obvious. If you can do that, then you can possibly understand the need to have a support group for an african american female to some degree.
Sociologically speaking, racism requires the individual to have power over others and to discriminate against another person because of their skin color. Let's say I'm white and you are of a minority. I have more influence over what happens in the government. If I walk into an airport, then I have a less likely chance of being hassled. You on the other hand have very little say in government affairs because you may be native american. you might be racially profiled as a potential terrorist in the airport and pulled aside. In this position you have very little power. If you were to hold no power over me and say something discriminatory to me, then that's discrimination only. If I said something discriminatory to you, then that's racist because of the benefits I have from being part of the group in power. I recommend being careful with the labels you use.
Johnny Paycheck August 12, 2012 at 08:20 pm
@Dave Koven, I would suggest that we maintain our first amendment right to free speech, and charge anyone desiring to remove or restrict it with treason. We were able to incarcerate communists during the red scare-- we can do the same thing with the fascists today.
Randy1949 August 12, 2012 at 08:32 pm
@mau, it was for the remark about the NAACP being behind the limitation of free speech. First of all, the NAACP really has nothing to do with this discussion, because I have never heard that organization ever say that blacks are superior to whites, as is done in reverse by white supremacists, nor have I ever heard that organization preaching hate in any way. Perhaps Annie is mixing the NAACP up with some other much more radical group.
Second, my parents were members of the NAACP.
Gregory Kluck August 12, 2012 at 08:33 pm
...and her true agenda comes out. Annie's a white supremacist.
Randy1949 August 12, 2012 at 08:34 pm
She's quoting from '1984', I think. Or from someone who's plagiarizing Orwell.
Gregory Kluck August 12, 2012 at 08:49 pm
Lyle, I think Mau is making the point that in regards to not protecting hate speech, certain words or phrases are removed form the vocabulary. Case in point...Neo nazis are protesting somewhere and the news crews are out gathering stuff for their stories at 10. Neo nazi calls one of the reporters, who is black, a N*****. They cannot even say that word on the news, refering to it as the "N'' word. We are not saying the word because it offends. It's gradual. That particular word was scratched from certain literary works, including mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn. There is a character in the book named Nigger Jim and is refered to as that. The terminology was correct for the times but not now, and we know that. Southern colloquialisms aside, it was offensive in some eyes. however, we still see words like Kike, Polack, Wop, Dago and others used a lot in film and print. Another word going by the wayside more and more is Spic. Because of the importance of Hispanics in the political arena, that word is thankfully going away. Don't use the terms as hate but using them to describe an offense should not be treated as the same. I know, I ramble a lot but I hope you can see the point here.
Gregory Kluck August 12, 2012 at 08:51 pm
...and if my white hip hop loving nephew says to me "Whassup Nigga" one more time imma gonna smack him.
Andrew Ruble August 12, 2012 at 08:51 pm
Roger. Is it liberals only. I know plenty of liberals and conservatives that try to control freedom of speech. I would like to see statistics and information as to why you believe these things rather than from personal views.
Jacob August 12, 2012 at 09:18 pm
Please define hate speech---What word exactly begins hate
Lyle Ruble August 12, 2012 at 09:18 pm
@Gregory Kluck...There has always been a differentiation in accepted speech and that which was not. Vocabulary and word usage has always been used to identify class level, education levels, ethnicity and culture. What is now commonly referred to as Politically Correct is just the latest version. If someone openly uses the word nigger, spic, kike, etc; they are committing a social faux pas and as such are judged accordingly. Some words have much stronger hate meanings than others and are judged as demeaning and crude. I agree that literary usage should not be criticized such as in Mark Twain's novels.
Given are history of prejudices, the first act of healing is the loss of demeaning language from our vocabularies. Just because we have people who are vociferous in their response to someone criticizing their application of free speech, PC, doesn't mean that PC speech is more correct and less damning to the speaker. It is the right of every individual to say what they want as long as they realize that it may result in negative responses.
Dominic Joseph Radanovich August 12, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Abraham Lincoln said: "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." He was speaking of the curse of his day, human bondage/slavery. But this saying can also be applied to freedom of speech. If I deny or disallow you to speak, albeit what you say might be offensive , how do I react when you deny or disallow me to speak? An eye for an eye? Or do we turn the other cheek? Wars are started over "an eye for an eye". Peace is met by turning the other cheek.
I see much in the world that I find reprehensible, and I will not look the other way when someone is being hurt. But hatred in all forms (words and actions) needs to be put aside. Love, peace and tranquility are achieved by words and actions, too. Francis of Assisi said: "Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace . . ." We cannot be apathetic either to allow hatred and evil to take over. That is totally unacceptable. Positive words, and actions can undo evil and hate mongering. Let the haters have their say, as long as they say it with their tongues, and not with fists, clubs or guns. Freedom of speech is a precious freedom, as are all of the freedoms that the human spirit desire. This is a very imperfect nation, this nation was built on the blood and bones of the Native Peoples and on the backs of the African slaves, so we have a long, long way to go to achieve fellowship, equality and tranquility. But love and goodness still exist and can prevail if we all do our part to allow it.
Dirk August 12, 2012 at 11:39 pm
What a ridiculous poll. Only under the Obama administration would such an irrational question be asked.
WHO determines what 'hate speech' is?
Mike B August 12, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Unless they specifically threaten to kill someone or something like that, it should be protected. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just because theirs is different than yours, doesn't make it right or wrong.
mau August 13, 2012 at 12:24 am
George Orwell's 1984
Greg August 13, 2012 at 12:44 am
Hater.
Richard August 13, 2012 at 01:02 am
Annie, I recognize what you are alluding to simply for what it is, reverse racism, the commenters to your post simply have misinterpreted your remarks either purposely or due to their ignorance or lack of reality.
Greg August 13, 2012 at 01:05 am
Zackly.
Johnny Paycheck August 13, 2012 at 01:31 am
What is this article's purpose, if not an attempt to chip away at the Bill of Rights?
Lyle Ruble August 13, 2012 at 01:31 am
@Richard....Everyone who claims reverse racism stands on very shaky ground. I really don't know what constitutes reverse racism. To call attention to the plight of the disadvantaged and social injustice is that racism? I think not, it is only the uncomfortable truth that we must face, but in turn we resent those who point out our foibles.
Gregory Kluck August 13, 2012 at 02:39 am
@Lyle Ruble...thanks for the comment on my post. Sometimes it's hard to figure what's hate speech, what's not. I grew up in quite the racist family environment. I remember the marches by Fr. Groppi, I listened to Rev. King on the news. I got smacked for saying he was right. I am surprised I didn't grow to hate other races. Not to say I haven't made some errors in my language, but I think I pretty much remained a proponent of civil rights.
James R Hoffa August 13, 2012 at 03:33 am
@Greg -
Someone had to provide an example of real hard-core hate speech, right ;-p
Bucky August 13, 2012 at 10:11 am
What about Rap Music then ?
Luke August 13, 2012 at 11:20 am
Gwen Moore would be behind bars if hate speech were illegal.
Michael Pyter August 13, 2012 at 01:33 pm
Slander and hate speech are often completely different assaults. Censorship and even being "politically correct" on the other hand are at the root of Marxism and Communist principles. (look it up) Principles that ultimately lead to personal penalties for speaking such that the government believes is harmful to said government/order. WE must do everything in our power to protect OUR RIGHTS of free speech or pave the way for Socialism (as Obama is pushing) or Communism to replace our Democracy. Sticks and stones people....its time for some...no, all ethnic groups to grow up.
Lyle Ruble August 13, 2012 at 02:56 pm
@Michael Pyter....I don't know why you would single out censorship and politically correct speech as Marxism and communist principles only. It is a principle of all tyrannical regimes. On the political spectrum, from monarchy to soviet style communism, control of speech is seen as an important principle in the maintenance of power. Therefore, your comment is nothing more than an opportunity to bash Obama and others that you politically disagree with. False claims don't support your credibility.
wiplayer August 13, 2012 at 03:31 pm
Enough said right there.
Greg August 13, 2012 at 04:33 pm
" I personally do not think Walker is Hitler, but I think he has economically solved the budget by passing the buck to others. It looks good on paper but causes more problems than what people realize."
I don't think your contribution is any better, your opinion on the Governor's policy has no place in these comments. "He is not Hitler, but" is the same as asking "do you still beat your wife?".
Michael Pyter August 13, 2012 at 06:55 pm
Lyle, the value of my comments is your opinion and for me, yours weren't worth the time it took you to type them. And yes, in my opinion Obama is way out of his league, he's winging it (poorly) and he has developed a keen talent to lie with a straight face ( as most politicians have). He's a Marxist and would like to ammend the Constitution to suit his far left agenda...just like this forum is about. If you're still angry about Walker's victory...oh well.
Eugene Barufkin August 14, 2012 at 02:53 am
Agree,
You can not be selective. Blatant disruption of solemn events is one issue that gets a BIG NO from me, Should respectful public advocacy, or not - Should be the real issue. YES from me!
Eugene Barufkin August 14, 2012 at 02:55 am
You can not be selective.
However, - Blatant disruption of solemn events is one issue that gets a BIG NO from me, Should respectful public advocacy, or not be allowed - Should be the real issue. <> YES from me!
Note Article
Just a short thought to get the word out quickly about anything in your neighborhood.
Share something with your neighbors. Write a new post... What's up? Make an announcement, speak your mind, or sell something
Steve ® June 10, 2013 at 03:55 pm
So? What was used and what harm does it cause? Although ironic this may provide more good thanRead More harm. What is written on the application sign?
Cricket June 11, 2013 at 01:31 pm
The bluff and other areas need to be planted with things that will snuff out the weeds. They areRead More harmful to animals and possibly birds, of which there are many at atwater. Obviously not many animals but there are squirrels and rabbits and other native mammals. Not to mention the kids at the play area. Most adult humans can handle an occasional wiff of a pesticide but not children or animals. I have held several pesticide licenses in my day so I have had much course work on this. I am surprised the village has done this but I know restoration is about to begin - again - on the bluff and perhaps they are trying to rid the bluff of all the weeds. It is a shame that the 15+ kids they hire every year can't be up there weeding instead. I don't know what else they could be doing as the village has reduced the amount of annual flower beds that need to be maintained.
PaulRevere June 10, 2013 at 12:40 pm
The liberal minded Patch had it going their way for some time. Then, the contrary opinions became aRead More "voice to be heard". So, like all liberal media, just shut down the "free speech". Speech that educates the people is a NO-NO in the world of "public education". Have no fear, other avenues to educate the public is on the way.
CowDung June 10, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Given the amount of liberal propaganda that is posted around here, one does have to wonder if PatchRead More intended to make it more difficult to reply to comments (and set the record straight)...
Mike Stevens June 14, 2013 at 07:20 am
Wow, PaulRevere, AKA the hardest working person in America, who only takes 1 day per month off andRead More who believes all evil is related to public schooling, has time to not only comment on St. Louis area Patch sites, but on Milwaukee area sites as well? Paul, perhaps you should go back to school to check your grammar--other avenues to educate the public ARE on the way, not IS on the way. Oh, you must be too busy working 20 hours a day (but finding tons of time to comment on several Patch sites) to check grammar
Walker celebrates after defeating the liberal unionista blue fisters
Steve ® June 6, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Sure Keith. I am sure every time you use the term Tea Bagger it is not vulgar. The symbol for yourRead More failed recall movement was a Blue Fist. No one wants to be ruled by a fist and I don't see how that is vulgar when your own logo was a blue fist. Try again.
Keith Schmitz June 6, 2013 at 01:03 pm
Are you assuming we're stupid Steve? Don't. BTW -- you called yourselves Tea Baggers. We're onlyRead More using the term you selected. What a great PR roll-up for this group of Neanderthals. You're problem with that any fister reference is usually the speaker feels it is where his head should be.
Greg June 6, 2013 at 01:10 pm
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH, that is why their fists are blue, OUCH!
Bob McBride June 6, 2013 at 09:04 am
I think if you look at most of the sites still running the older version, you'll see the sameRead More messages of impending doom we got just before the change...
Bob McBride June 6, 2013 at 09:15 am
I got the name wrong, it was "Bellmore", not Belmont. It was part of rollout of what atRead More the time was being referred to as "Patch 2.0" in the press. It was rolled out to five towns in the Long Island, NY area in September of last year. I'm going to attempt to post a link to an article:: http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/189296/aols-redesigned-patch-websites-make-a-play-for-neighborhood-groups/
CowDung June 6, 2013 at 09:30 am
"I think if you look at most of the sites still running the older version, you'll see the sameRead More messages of impending doom we got just before the change... " | I think that's true, Bob. I poked around at a number of Patch sites around the country and the 'Welcome to the New Patch' articles were full of the same complaints we are seeing here. | This Patch redesign seems to be the 'New Coke' of websites...
Greg June 4, 2013 at 03:38 pm
Starting at ONLY $70,000.00 Time to cash in your aluminum cans.