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Our Schools Fail to Prepare Students, Neglect the Basics

Our schools do not prepare students for real jobs and future needs.

A lament often heard from employers is that they cannot find qualified applicants for positions that they have open.

Many of these employers are referring to their need for highly-skilled labor, such as machine shops needing CNC (computer numerical control) operators for their sophisticated machine tools. Other companies say there is a shortage of engineers who are vital to the design and innovation of new technologies and products.

While virtually everyone agrees that these skilled and technical workers are in short supply, the parents and schools are concurrently making little effort to guide the students into areas that are not deemed more “prestigious” and requiring graduate degrees.

On the other side of the coin, we find young folks who are dismayed that they cannot find a job after following the prescribed curricula that was set forth for them by their parents, the schools and the teachers. I define these young folks into several categories from what I have (anecdotally) witnessed.

A+ students who worked hard through four years of college, and now they find themselves living at home with their parents and unable to find a job that enables them to start a career. 

There are several factors that come into play here: Some of these young folks got degrees in areas that are not in demand. They probably could find at least “gainful” employment, but they have not been taught by the system that not everyone can get a job in their chosen field — at least at first — and sometimes you have to find a job in a field as closely related to the one that you love, and work your way up and network into your chosen field. 

And there are those, who just don’t know how to get a job. They have never been taught how to actually find a job, write a resume and make themselves visible to those that are hiring. They fall into the waiting for a phone call syndrome, and have not been taught how to be assertive in a job search.

A common mistake I often witness with this category of job seeker, is that they decide to go back to school for an advanced degree in the same field. After they have achieved that, they find that the advanced degree can become an impediment to their actually securing a job, as an employer is loathe to hire someone with all theory and no practice. They know from experience, that once the employee gains some real world experience, they will leave for greener pastures.

And then there are the graduates who are totally lacking in social graces and self presentation. Showing up for an interview in blue jeans may be OK if you graduated at the top of your class in computer engineering at MIT, but if you are looking to get an engineering job at a corporate manufacturer, you may want to wear a suit and tie, be on time for your interviews, know how to use a fork and knife and not your fingers at a luncheon, and not have “mother” tattooed across your forehead.

Four-year bachelor degree graduates who have a degree in a field, which is hiring, but they cannot seem to get a job in that field. 

These are graduates who managed to slog their way through four years in their field (often one they were “told” to go into), got the grades they needed (earned or not) and got their degree, but they have “overachieved," and gotten into a field in which they will never be an asset to an employer.

Back in the 1950s and 60s this kind of graduate would have gotten into a corporation at the bottom of the corporate ladder, perhaps in a management training program, by the sheer virtue of having a degree. Their climb up the corporate ladder would not get very high, and they would be tasked with some position that today may well be filled by an administrative assistant. They could put in their years of mediocrity, and retire with a pension. 

Those days are over!

These were also the graduates who were sometimes promoted above their capabilities; we’ve all worked with them and even worse, reported to them — enough said.

In today’s world, the best advice these graduates can get, is the advice they should have been given back in high school, and re-train in a trade or skill commensurate with their abilities and/or aptitude.

The no bachelors and no technical degree. These are high school graduates, who most usually started in a four-year college, but dropped out before getting their degree.

These young folks may be the worst victims of an educational system and society that does not recognize the value of learning and achievement, in fields other than academics.

Many of these young folks would make great technical workers, or have great careers in the trades or crafts, but they were only offered a one-lane road, that led to a four-year college.

My interest in whether we are giving the right guidance to our high school students, stemmed from watching my own two children and their follow high school graduates, from Homestead HS, try to find their ways in life after high school. Homestead like Shorewood (where I now live) focused virtually 100 percent on a college prep curriculum.

Using Shorewood as an example, Shorewood High School takes great pride in their students scoring on the ACTs and that an extremely high percentage of them go on to post high school education.

But when I asked the Shorewood HS officials how many of those students “actually” received a bachelors or associates degree, they did not have an answer.

Nobody is bothering to find out if the product they are turning out from Shorewood High School has been properly prepared to climb the next mountain.

From the then chancellor of UWM, I found that less than ½ of the students who come in as freshmen ever achieve a bachelor’s degree, as measured after five years.

Imagine if Boeing produced airliners that could not complete a cross country flight — I think we would label that as a failure — just as I maintain we are failing our students, if they cannot take flight after our four years of teaching and guiding them.

— Just high school, never finished high school, in between high school and (insert question mark).

According to the “Common Wisdom” (CW), these are the young folks who have no future and will never be able to make a decent living.

And unfortunately the CW is correct, but not for the reasons that we may think.

There actually are jobs out there that can pay at least a “living wage” that do not require a two or four year degree. But our high schools fail miserably in even giving these students a fighting chance.

I have held many jobs in my life from some of the lowest entry level to corporate executive, and small business owner. From personal experience I know that there are many jobs that require minimal skills that go unfilled, due to lack of qualified applicants.

If our high schools would do nothing more than the following bare minimum, there would be many hopelessly unemployed people filling productive jobs and earning a least a small part of the American Dream.

Typing, yes, we live in a world of computers, and most of them require the use of keyboards. Aside from pure data entry jobs, many of the most menial jobs are now integrated into the overall IT system, and require real time entry of data by warehouse workers, delivery people, production workers and myriad more.

Driver's license — look at the want ads in the paper. If you have a driver's license, there are delivery jobs galore, warehouse jobs, van drivers, bus drivers, truck drivers, couriers, etc., but we do not have drivers ed in high school anymore, or it is at an added cost, that many families and students just cannot afford.

Basic reading and printing — forget about cursive writing; back in the Stone Ages when I was in grammar school, I can still remember the nuns teaching us how to print and telling us that even a warehouse worker needs to know how to legibly print and we would need legible printing to fill out an employment application. The proverbial fifth grade level reading would be enough for most jobs in this category.

Basic math and fractions, at least enough to make change at the burger counter. More emphasis is needed on fractions. Since the U.S. has still not joined the rest of the world in the metric system, almost all the basic jobs out there, whether setting a machine in a shop, or measuring a board to cut into inches, require the use of fractions. Our schools need to align the math they teach with the real world needs.

Be Presentable for the type of job being applied for. Go to almost any high school and see how the students dress. Pants belted below the butt do not make a good impression on the person doing the hiring. However the worst dressed examples at the high school level (lower grades also) are the teachers. Teachers with polo shirts, open collars, no ties, blue jeans, sweatshirts, male and female, the professional level portrayed by teachers in schools today is abominable. They are the examples for the kids.

Respectful, on time, basic manners and grooming: all of these matter no matter what level job is being applied for. If the kids are not learning this at home, they should be learning it at school. And I don’t buy the excuse that if the parents can’t teach it, the teachers cannot be expected to do so. When my immigrant grandparents came over on the boat, they didn’t have a clue how to teach their kids the “social graces” of the new country — they didn’t know them. But the “melting pot” public schools taught the kids, who often times were the teaching example for the parents.

When I was in high school, the priests taught us how to fold a letter properly to be put into an envelope. I am seeing graduates of our schools who not only don’t have a clue as to how to fold a letter properly, but don’t have a clue as to how to properly write one.

Two recent anecdotal events within the last two months:

First is a graduate from Homestead HS; a 19-year girl who is enrolled full time at MATC. She needs a part-time job to make ends meet — she is on her own. My wife and I helped her compose a resume highlighting her education, experience and aspirations. She did not learn that at Homestead.

Second is a student in the Shorewood system, who when asked about the results of the aptitude test that students are given, said it was not important. When asked why, he said the teacher said it was not mandatory, there was no need to be concerned about it, and students who were absent did not have to take it later.  In other words, he was given the impression it was just a “waste of time." It is not surprising that he did not take the results seriously, as he said he just goofed off in taking it, as it didn’t matter anyway.

I do very much respect teachers who work at their job. And I think there are a lot more good teachers than bad.

The system itself that the teachers work in is the problem. It needs a zero based overhaul to develop one that meets the actual needs of the students — in real time and for the future.

Another overhaul needed is in the academic curriculum that teachers need to complete in order to get their license, and the graduate programs they need to complete to get raises. That entire system is seriously flawed and does not meet the needs of the teachers or the students, but that is a topic for another time.

What do you think? Your opinions are most welcomed!

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Bren March 7, 2012 at 09:19 pm
Statistics show that the children best prepared for kindergarten have had on average, 1,000 hours of reading time with parents (bedtime stories, etc.). They learn phonemic awareness and pre-reading skills. The least prepared children have 25 hours, on average. Consider being the kindergarten teacher with representatives of both of these groups. The achievement gap begins the moment children walk through the doors of the kindergarten classroom.
As a young child I was fortunate to have reading time. Both parents enjoyed biographies (my favorite, too!) and read a lot. By the time I started school at 4 1/2 I could read simple books, although I aspired higher. (My poor parents! I remember trying to read them the newspaper and Plato's Republic, it was slow going.) Randy's right, the MPS school is the neighborhood educational facility. Annual budgets are based on enrollment, but the MPS district overall has a 15% special needs student population. In addition, the school is responsible for providing services to special needs students in the neighborhood who may not be attending the school (home interventions, etc.). They receive no additional funding for this.
greensheet March 7, 2012 at 09:45 pm
Craig- We all know that the tax on alcohol vs. it's impact on society is a joke. If you were to add all of the effects of alcohol and what it costs us as a nation, a bottle of beer should be $10.00.
By the way, I detest the argument that these sin taxes hurt the poor more than the rest of us. 20 percent of the population is using 80 percent of the health care in this country. Pay up!
Craig March 7, 2012 at 09:55 pm
GreenShite: Do you put a lot of effort into sounding like an idiot, or does it come naturally to you?
Please provide where you pulled that $10 / bottle number from, I am guessing you are overdue to see the gastroenterologist. You detesting that sin taxes hurt the poor the most is indicative of someone in denial. Even though you are off topic I feel compelled to point out your stupidity. Have that Dr. remove your head while he is up there.
Bren March 7, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Schools used to offer shop and "home economics" classes, but I believe these are pretty much gone, thanks to school budget cuts over time. I agree with Dave Koven that education exposes a child to many disciplines, but not necessarily those "they may never use in the name of producing a well rounded individual." The educational experience is also an opportunity to introduce occupational "clusters," which demonstrates the varied career fields. Phy Ed might not be a core academic discipline, but it helps build understanding of what is needed for good health, and introduces the concept of a potential career in sports, physical therapy, etc. In addition, the opportunity to experience a sport first-hand often contributes to a lifetime of enjoyment, which in turn contributes to the local economy through direct and indirect sports-related purchasing.
Education and its relation to life and society is to me a bit like the game Jenga. Which elements may be excised without threatening the entire structure?
Bren March 7, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Dave I found your example of engineering graduates taking unrelated courses because "they had nothing to talk about except engineering" interesting. I believe it speaks again to the issue of basic training at home. Part of our basic training at "home" included music and art lessons, attendance at art openings/exhibits, concerts, recitals, volunteerism, and dining at good restaurants, etc. (As it happens, the only cocktails I still know how to make I learned to mix when I was a kid-from a bartender at a 5 star restaurant. I make a killer Bloody Mary). It was felt that a child/young person should be able to "hold the fort" socially. Finding a common subject for discussion that provides opportunities for everyone at the table to shine is a good life skill, whether at a party, presentation, or job interview. Everyone learns something new and useful.
And it is true as others have said, skill building is a lifelong pursuit and adventure. The world is changing quickly and becoming more diverse. I have come to rely on the social skills I learned as a child more than I ever thought I would. And many of the methodologies used successfully in my field until the recession need re-imagining. This is no time for a nap!
Craig March 7, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Bren: Home Ec. and shop are still available in my district. Phy Ed is a waste of money and time- look at the fat kids in school. Our litigious society makes it nearly impossible to get chubby to do anything in Phy Ed. If the kid doesn't want to run, they are asked to walk while the rest of the class participates in sports. I have never heard of anyone becoming an athlete professionally due to phy ed.
Regarding shop classes: they have the same curriculum as 25 years ago. Much has changed since then. Schools used to teach kids to read and write, seems the more money we throw at them the less they do.
Craig March 8, 2012 at 03:50 pm
You make a very good point here, Jim.
We have no idea what type of work will be available in 4 years, things are changing so fast that new technology today is old hat next year. This is precisely why we need to teach the basics -and teach them well. If manufacturing ever returns to the US, we will need young people who are teachable. By that I mean they already have all the basics like trig. and decent reading skills. Math skills may be the most important skill as they apply to everything: machining, programming, etc. Instead of pointing a kid toward a certain carreer- give them options. This can be done with a solid education and mastering the basics. It is easy to teach application of what one already knows, but it is hard to teach a dummy to apply what he never learned.
Craig March 8, 2012 at 04:00 pm
Randy: Things have changed in the home over the years too. Mom (or Dad) barely has time to balance her own checkbook because she is busy working, carting the kids to sporting events, and taking care of the home.
I am not a proponent of 'it takes a village', but I know parents find it hard to read with their kids these days. One bright spot with this economy is many families now include Grandma and Grandpa. They have the time and patience to sit with a kid and read with them. Maybe mom or dad are on reduced hours and can do that too. If a student is taking a financial class, they should be taught how to balance a checkbook. Teaching then how to trade stocks is like teaching them to run before they can crawl.
Craig March 8, 2012 at 04:10 pm
Maybe I was a little hard on you. Education is a bipartisan issue. When I evaluate the thoughts and comments from those I know to be left or right leaning- I find we agree on much more than we disagree (with this topic).
There is no reason to interject politics in this thread. Getting back on point... 4 year old kindergarten...waste of money, or educationally necessary??
Garden Diva March 8, 2012 at 04:21 pm
This has been mostly a very interesting and civil discussion! Thank You. As a working mom, my son was in day care from infancy to 10 years old. I was very impressed with the early education he was given by all of his caregivers at Grandma's House. That early education was continued when he began to attend 4 year old kindergarten. All of the early education gave me as a parent a platform to enhance, build on and share with his teachers. The TV is used as an imperfect educational tool in too many homes today. Those children do not come to school as prepared as children who have attended a preschool.
Randy1949 March 8, 2012 at 04:36 pm
@Craig -- I used to read with my son until he got old enough to read for himself. At first, I thought I had failed in my job of teaching him to read for pleasure and self-improvement, but in his twenties, once the pressures of school were over, he began to do it. Now we are able to discuss books together.
I'm trying to do the same with my grandson, who is 19 months old. He doesn't seem to have the patience yet, but he already knows how to work his mother's iPad and go to PBS Kids for his favorite educational videos. Teaching kids to trade stocks is not the smartest thing, unless you teach them why stocks fluctuate and how to deal with it.
N. Peske March 8, 2012 at 07:50 pm
I think dress code rules do need to be enforced every time; haven't we learned something from the broken window theory? That said, the boys are dropping their drawers as soon as they leave a classroom and pulling them up before they enter the next classroom--and the girls take off the loose outer top to reveal the tight one showing cleavage once they get to school. Heavens, the Catholic girls in the 60s used to roll up their skirts once they got to school and before the nuns made them kneel to prove their hemlines touched the ground in that positino. You can't patrol what happens when you turn your back but yes, once you spot the girl with the Kiss Me thong sticking out of her jeans, she should go directly to the office without passing go. It does happen when they catch them from what I can tell but really, we ask so much of teachers. Couldn't parents forego buying the Kiss Me thong in the first place, and teach their kids that if you don't like the rules you should lobby to change them instead of sneaking about?
N. Peske March 8, 2012 at 07:57 pm
What we do know about the jobs of the future is that they will require critical thinking skills, the ability to think creatively on your feet and adjust to rapidly changing conditions, and emotional intelligence and collaboration skills. I think you'd have a hard time finding an employer or business consultant who would disagree with any of that.
That said, how do you teach these skills? And what if parents don't reinforce them or worse, don't value them? Can parents be engaged to learn along with their kids and to access outside resources that can help their children? Maybe what we need more of is schools directing parents to resources that enhance learning. That said, there are probably plenty of parents who never check Power School, read the weekly missives, or bother to check the teachers' websites. Everyone has to do his part to help these kids develop crucial skills.
N. Peske March 8, 2012 at 07:58 pm
Correlative relationships are not cause-and-effect relationships.
N. Peske March 8, 2012 at 08:02 pm
Just a note on homeschooling--some people do it because it's easier to homeschool than to fit their square peg of a child with learning disabilities into the round hole of public school. This is especially true when a child is 2E (twice exceptional): Gifted and learning disabled.
N. Peske March 8, 2012 at 08:09 pm
I think it's always good to step back and question the curricula offered in our schools. I have a friend who was very disheartened to see the sewing room at SHS had been converted to a computer room. She learned to sew in a Home Ec elective at SHS in the 70s and went on to a career as a high-end seamstress. I wonder, couldn't some of the North Shore schools pool together to offer some of these types of courses for interested students?
Also, when it comes to guidance for kids, I only now appreciate how fortunate I was to have a dad who was a guidance counselor himself (at UWM). When we cut budgets, we cut the amount of guidance counseling time available to students. Even parents who are eager and proactive can't always determine what resources are available to their child given her particular strengths, interests, and aptitudes. I do feel lucky we have the Rec. Dept. offering so many inexpensive classes. I think it's great that SIS in particular is always nudging us about making use of those marvelous learning opportunities which are often shockingly low priced.
mau March 8, 2012 at 08:25 pm
ALL teachers should be leading by example in their personal behavior, lifestyle, dress, appearance, language, etc. Teachers are there to teach and lead, not be the students best bud.
mau March 8, 2012 at 08:31 pm
I wish virtual schools had been available when my son was in school. I spent many hours a night helping with home work and teaching my son what should have been taught in school. It used to grate on me when I asked what he had done in school instead of his work and he would say "watch a Disney movie" or "have a party" or "celebrate this or that". I think the only thing that has stuck with him is when they took a nut and grew a little tree in elementary school. That tree is still in our back yard and is probably 30 feet tall. Plus we have to walnut trees that are about 15 feet tall. He had gotten some acorns from my parents farm and started the trees. But that still isn't an acceptable class project in place of reading or math.
mau March 8, 2012 at 08:34 pm
My parents never read to me. My older sister may have but I don't remember. I hated reading until I picked up my first crime magazine in high school. I read that and novels for years and really built up my reading, spelling and writing skills. I always read to my son. When I quit he didn't pick up. When he was on his own, studying for his apprenticeship, that all changed.
mau March 8, 2012 at 08:39 pm
I have a friends who's 2 sons were home schooled, graduated from college, joined the military and are both married. You don't need schools to socialize. In fact in many cases it can be detrimental.
David Tatarowicz March 8, 2012 at 09:12 pm
@Nancy I was talking to an SHS Alumni, now in his late 40's or 50's -- he stills lives in Shorewood, and he told me that at SHS he now only had shop classes, but also learned to sew and cook --- and other basics, such as budgeting and the proverbial check book balancing. How did we lose those basic learning opportunities for our kids --- too many school administrators with Master Degrees and not enough common sense ???????
N. Peske March 9, 2012 at 03:14 pm
Sewing dropped out due to cheap clothing from China and other countries--it wasn't cost effective for a middle class person to sew from a Butterick pattern. But with an obesity epidemic, you have to wonder--should we at least have nutrition classes if not cooking classes?
From what I gather, there are some classes on basic financial skills over at SHS--no? I could be wrong.
CowDung March 9, 2012 at 03:20 pm
With the high percentage of involved parents that we tend to have in Shorewood, I would think that we can leave the cooking instruction up to the parents and use the money for courses that are not already being taught at home...
David Tatarowicz March 9, 2012 at 03:35 pm
@CowDung Do you think the helicopter parents are interested in teaching their kids cooking?
Maybe so, but it seems to me that many of the involved parents are only interested in being involved so their kids will go to Harvard and be a great lawyer and make a ton of money --- Recently our kid in SHS (male) told us that a teacher asked his class who could sew? who could cook? who did their own laundry? --- his was virtually the only hand that went up !!! He also knows how to hung and fish, an excellent golfer, been involved in martial arts, and has a good sense of street smarts.
Bob McBride March 9, 2012 at 03:40 pm
I don't know why you couldn't work at least a rudimentary nutrition program into physical eduction (assuming they don't now). It would seem kind of a natural extension of an emphasis on fitness.
CowDung March 9, 2012 at 03:46 pm
Personally, I'd rather see more involvement in trying to get their kid to graduate college as a competent engineer. We have too many lawyers in the US already...
I made it a priority as a parent to make sure that my kids (gradeschoolers) can at least cook, sew, and do laundry. I would hope that other parents would be doing the same...
David Tatarowicz March 9, 2012 at 03:49 pm
@CowDung --- kudos to you --- and no argument that we are certainly in more need of engineers than lawyers.
N. Peske March 29, 2012 at 04:01 pm
It costs $10 to replace a zipper at the tailor's--cheap to fix a hem or a lining, or sew on a button, too. I understand why many kids don't know how to do even these basic things. I'll bet many also don't know how to fix an electrical cord that's fraying, fix a running toilet, or use a power screwdriver, either.
N. Peske March 29, 2012 at 04:03 pm
@Bob, there is rudimentary nutrition information presented as part of science in 7th grade.
@CowDung, there are a lot of middle class people who don't know how to cook, or who do, but don't know how to cook healthfully. I remember cooking as part of K-8 education, jr. high, and as an elective in high school in the era when middle class families often had a stay-at-home mom.
Randy1949 March 29, 2012 at 04:34 pm
@Nancy Peske -- Zippers are complicated. It probably makes more sense to pay the tailor than to waste twice as much of your time on it and end up with an amateurish job. Buttons and hems aren't exactly brain surgery.
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