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Is This the Kind of America We Have Fought Wars For?

Woman locked up in jail over 10 year old ticket.

From AOL Auto Section:

A New Jersey woman spent the night in jail after a ticket she received way back in 2002 came back to haunt her.

When she was 17, Krystle Garcia was cited by New York police for not having her insurance card. She never paid the fine, but was able to renew her license and commute to New York for the subsequent decade. Everything seemed fine until she was stopped at a checkpoint and had her license randomly scanned. The scan showed that Garcia had an outstanding summons, so she was arrested on the spot.


Even though Garcia had long forgotten about the ticket, the state of New York did not.

"It was horrifying," Garcia told NBC 4 in New York. "I sat in a holding cell for 14 hours with people who had gun charges, who were fighting each other."

"I've received tickets in New York and I've paid them. Couldn't they have just impounded my car instead of taking me, and putting me with other people who commit actual crimes?"

Garcia ended up settling in court and paying a $155 fine, but not until after she suffered through a long and frightening ordeal.

Moral of the story: Pay your fines, folks. The government has a long memory.

Now how would this have gone down in Milwaukee County?

1. If she was stopped in one of the suburbs, ie. Shorewood, WFB, Fox Point, etc., they would have let her make a phone call, someone would have come and paid fine, and she would have been released.

2. If she was stopped in the City of Milwaukee, they would not let her make a phone call. They would have kept her in a city jail for a few hours and then transferred her to the County Jail. 

At the County Jail she would be subject to a cavity search (per the US Supreme Court). 

When allowed to finally use a pay phone, on which she could only make a collect call, she might get out if she has a friend with a landline, you cannot make collect calls to cell phones. It would not be unusual for her to spend a couple nights in the County Jail before getting released.

When I grew up, we were taught in grade school that this kind of thing only happened in countries like the USSR or China or other dictatorships, and that US citizens were treated with a little respect and common sense. 

It cost a lot more money to treat her like a dog in manpower and jailing, then if they just suspended her license and she would have remembered the ticket and paid the fine.

What do you think? Do you agree?

Greg June 22, 2012 at 08:32 pm
I once got a speeding ticket in Kentucky. I asked the Trooper, What would happen if I never pay the fine? He said "never come back to Kentucky", I paid the fine when I got home.
I know, a while back, Wisconsin required payment prior to being turned loose, for out of state violators.
David Tatarowicz June 22, 2012 at 08:50 pm
@Greg I think you missed the entire point of this post --- or I did not make it clear.
CowDung June 22, 2012 at 08:53 pm
She was fortunate that it wasn't the IRS. They would have had her pay penalties and interest in addition to the amount she owed for the original fine...
Greg June 22, 2012 at 09:00 pm
"Is This the Kind of America We Have Fought Wars For?", Nope.
"What do you think?", Not exactly a Gulag. The USSR or China reference was a bit much. "Do you agree?", No it was over reaction, but it does not represent our entire country. She should learn to take care of her obligations. 10 years is a long time.
Bren June 23, 2012 at 02:05 am
The episode in New York was ridiculous. Frankly I'm amazed that the NYPD actually stopped someone. The things I have seen in the City that Never Sleeps...and the police ignore it. Once two officers were standing on a street corner during a four way traffic jam. A taxi had gone through a red light and had become trapped in a sea of cars trying to travel in the other direction. Horns blaring, people yelling profanities out their windows. The officers stopped chatting, looked at the mess (which showed no signs of clearing up soon), looked at each other, shook their heads and went on talking. So I have to believe Ms. Garcia's stop was an extraordinary circumstance. (A NY acquaintance kept a broom in his car for years for Manhattan driving. Cabby, delivery truck or other vehicle would get too close, and SMACK! I love New York.)
But it is a shame that citizens are harassed with minor traffic issues when crack houses and major crimes are rampant in some tragic parts of the city. The obvious answer is revenue. People who can afford to drive a car can afford to pay citations.
Greg June 23, 2012 at 02:30 am
I think it would be interesting to know what information the arresting officers were given. They may have only seen it as a 10 year old warrant.
David Tatarowicz June 23, 2012 at 04:02 pm
America has become a scary place that is looking like countries that we used to use as examples of where people did not have basic rights and dignity.
Two reasons I see for these changes are first of all Apathy by Folks who think that it will always happen to someone else, and that as long as they are respectable and upright citizens, they will be protected and treated with dignity The recent TV coverage of the guy on Water street who was on the ground and being punched by a cop should have resulted in total outrage by the citizenry. The cop doing the punching was a sadistic coward, but because the "cops" say it is proper procedure -- and the average citizen thinks it can't happen to them, the controversy went away. Many Supreme Court cases over the past few years have been eating away at basic rights and dignities --- but people feel it won't happen to them, so they just don't care. The Supreme Court decided that an American Citizen can be put into MILITARY custody, sent to Gitmo, be denied legal representation, and has no right to a trial of his peers. In the name of National Security --- Makes the McCarthy Red Scare seem tame. The Supreme Court has decided that Anyone who is locked up in jail for ANY reason --- unpaid parking ticket --- is subject to a Cavity Search ! Contrary to popular belief and TV shows --- you are NOT entitled to a phone call upon arrest !! These are just a few examples --- there are many more.
Greg June 24, 2012 at 03:03 pm
Do you really think this is new, other than the Patriot Act stuff? Cops beating peoples heads in, has been going on as long as there were cops. Remember what Dirty Lyle did to Spider Mike in Convoy. Quack, Quack.
David Tatarowicz June 24, 2012 at 04:50 pm
@Greg Does that mean you don't mind cops breaking the law --- or cops making up rules of conduct that are ridiculous --- that coward cop beating that guys head while he is subdued is somehow proper procedure --- yeah I know, sometimes a cop might get wound up, and I certainly don't believe they should be micro-managed, but when something like beating in a guy's head is "justified" there is a limit to which citizens should say -- BS ..... just saying it is proper procedure does not make it right.
Guys like that cop are often the kind that use their power on helpless victims ..... instead of condoning his conduct, the People,the Chief and the Other Cops should tell him to Man Up.
Greg June 24, 2012 at 09:54 pm
Your post, just above, makes it sound like this is something new. It's not. That was what I was saying and I have no clue how you could read into that, that I condone such actions.
If you are upset by the actions in this blog, you'll really find this interesting. http://lawreport.org/ViewStory.aspx?StoryID=8826
David Tatarowicz June 25, 2012 at 09:46 pm
@Greg I understand it is not new and I enjoyed the article -- I did read much of it before ---
I think what is new is that the police and prosecutors and legislators have become so overhanded in meting out punishment, that when confronted with one of their own, they realize how much it will F up his or her life and career, and all of a sudden they back off. The days of a cop pulling over someone with a minor want or warrant and warning them to get it taken care of are over --- an overdue library fine and all of a sudden in Milwaukee you are in jail !!! In the burbs, they will let you call and try to get it paid --- What is ironic is that I run a service company, and my clients would NOT allow me to hire someone with some of the records those cops have --- because their insurance companies won't allow it !!! Remember that kid that the Shorewood HS tried to have arrested and tried for $2.70 worth of chicken nuggets, that he may or may not have had legally --- if he had been convicted of that --- believe it or not, my clients would say I could not hire him ....... No Mercy for Citizens --- but Cops and Supreme Court Justices can get away with a lot !!!
$$andSense June 26, 2012 at 12:33 am
Get used to it. This is what you get when you stop challenging or promote the militarist police state. The bullet ballot is what is coming next if things are to change. One size fits all. I LMAO when I read the postings of the AA's, the JRH's and all the rest of the widdle "conservatives" that tell us that Walker and his ilk are our "saviours and heros". Reap what you sow. When you let the cops and their unions get a free pass from the voter, expect more of this crap. But you feel safe don't you? Hey, if you didn't do nothing wrong, you don’t mind being stopped, frisked (TSA style) or letting them in your house without a warrant?
Greg June 26, 2012 at 12:56 am
It's Walker's fault. Delusion has reached a new level.
$$andSense June 26, 2012 at 01:21 am
No, Greg, if you are leveling at me. It is YOU and all the rest of the US allowing the Doyle's, McCallum's, Kohl's, Sensennbrenners, Obama's, Bush's etc., etc. etc. to get away with their Patriot Acts, federal reserve, attacks on home rule, etc. etc. that are delusional. But you come across as the young crowd that thinks that a conservative is a republican and nothing more. News flash, you don't have it Jr.
Greg June 26, 2012 at 01:29 am
And where have you been in all of this, you fossil.
$$andSense June 26, 2012 at 02:02 am
Oh, so the status quo is fine with you? My vote and voice has been against all this. Enjoy your police state junior. Mere mention of the architects of the present makes one a fossil? History isn’t your strong point? Read up on what pissed off the American colonists that lead to a revolution and founding of our Constitution and MAYBE YOU MAY GET A CLUE!! Did you even finish high school? Hopefully not college because you are an embarrassment to the rest of us that finished either.
Greg June 26, 2012 at 02:09 am
You calling me Jr., makes you a fossil. You attacking my education, makes you a moron.
$$andSense June 26, 2012 at 02:21 am
Excellent. Then I am accurate on both. Thanks for setting that straight. Regarding the moron thing, I was young and stupid once too like too like you so I deserve that comment. You are just a few decades short of my gaining a lot of experience and wisdom in the meantime. Good luck with that. Time is a bitch.
Greg June 26, 2012 at 02:26 am
Old does not equal wise or smart. You are proof of that.
I think facts are the bitch for you. How old am I?
Bren June 26, 2012 at 02:35 am
I agree, but still have to wonder at the stop happening at all. ; )
$$andSense June 26, 2012 at 02:48 am
Take the night off Jr. Some of us have to go to work tomorrow. You think on the "facts" that are a problem for you or how old you are (though you should know your own birthday). You know Dr. Seuss? "Ask me tomorrow, but not today". Let's trade words then, OK? This will give your "conservative" friends time to weigh in as well.
Greg June 26, 2012 at 03:02 am
Don't break a hip getting into bed.
Greg June 26, 2012 at 03:06 am
It will become all that much more common with the automated tag readers. They won't need a check point to find out you are late on that library book.
David Tatarowicz June 26, 2012 at 09:25 pm
@ Old/Grumpy -- Young/Snippy -------- after reading your tete a tete I really did LOL as I don't think you are very far apart philosophically but just had to find something to argue about ............
And in the naked light I saw Ten thousand people, maybe more People talking without speaking People hearing without listening
Greg June 26, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Now they stood beside the treasure,
On the mountain, dark and red. Turned the stone and looked beneath it... "Peace on Earth" was all it said.
$$andSense June 27, 2012 at 02:09 am
David
Old/Grumpy means either you, Greg, Bren or CowDung. Who is it?
jukap29 June 27, 2012 at 04:23 am
i think we need to temper a over-active police force with the fact that they deal with problems that are wholly new or at least the size and scale of which are. do you listen to the scanners in Racine? do you realize what these guys put up with. There may be a couple bad eggs, but every org has that - your fear and loathing of authority has got to have some deeper roots. were you embarrassed by a cop? popped for possession? were you over 18 and your girlfriend wasn't? I'm not fan of unabated authority run amuck by any means, but MOST police officers will show you respect if you show it first.
if you broke the law, you broke the law. a lenient judge or officer is all that lets you avoid the actual statutory penalties, never forget that... AND WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS, no matter how much the current or past admins want to ignore that
Avenging Angel June 27, 2012 at 06:46 am
Lets see, the point is the cops should just ignore an outstanding warrant? She thought she had gotten away with it. She didn't.
I come and go as I please and have absolutely no fear of the police because I have a clean record. Know what the best part of having a clean record? You can take the cops to task without consequence, which I have done many times. Try to find something that will get some traction. This isn't it.

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