What in the world would make us think that this hook wouldn't be firmly embedded in your mouth? What a shocking surprise!

You hit Keith's sore spot there, CD.

Nice try but not buying your spin to delect the truth that Walker is adding jobs. Seems like reaching for imaginary straws now that you/Barrett/Dems have lost your main "talking point" re: jobs. The DNC just announced they are shifting funds out of Wi to other races where they think they can win. + 6% Walker with three weeks to go. Can't wait to see the Dem spin on that! Starting to sound alot like the Darling/Pasch race with an 8 point margin.

Either he's lying now and was telling the truth then, or he's telling the truth now and lied then. These are the only two options: which is it?

So unable to escape the reality that Walker is a liar, you now resort to besmirching me by suggesting that I can't possibly have an interest in recalling Walker unless I am paid. Because that's all you have left: baseless allegations.

Tell you what, prove I am paid by United Wisconsin and I'll give you every last penny. Actually, I'll give you a thousand times that. A million times. It's still zero.

And somehow, despite all that, Walker is still a liar. Nice.

So you accept that Walker is a liar, and you persist in libeling me. Nice!

So you accept that Walker is a liar, and you persist in libeling me. Nice!

So you accept that Walker is a liar, and are incapable of anything except ad-homs. Nice!

"Act 10, it's working" - except when you look at the examples Walker cites, for instance this news report on his YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQQFWS6-8xE which claims the Kaukauna school district has a $1.5 million surplus on account of Act 10. Then when you look at the actual surplus (http://tinyurl.com/83y4kv3) you find that it's 40 times less than that and comes at the expense of a closed school, forcing first graders to walk 2 miles to school, and a few dozen layoffs.

Let me put it another way: try naming a single Wisconsinite who is planning to enter the teaching profession, and then tell me that Wisconsin doesn't have a serious, serious problem when it comes to the future of education.

"Walker is growing the economy and adding jobs" - so you don't find a blatantly partisan announcement of a jobs revision that conveniently cannot be compared to other states' results because it's 6 weeks early just a *tiny* bit suspicious? That you have to claim that Walker lied in order to accept these figures? That even if one grants that they're completely accurate, Wisconsin is still five figures behind where we should be if we followed the national jobs recovery?

You want to draw attention to illegal campaigning, but the fact is that either Walker is under criminal investigation for exactly that, or else he's breaking the law by setting up a legal defense fund under §11.64(1). One or the other, you can't pick neither.

Kris' three emails is dwarfed by the potential of larceny conducted by the Walker gang.

But don't worry. We'll hear this ad nausea by the right because in lieu of fact, take one minor incident, puff it up and hammer it over and over again. This is what passed for political discussion on the right.

Let's see if I can respond to a few of your points, tho I must admit they/ you are more than a little hard to follow.

"name a teacher planning to enter teaching ". You gota be kidding, right? At my school this spring, there were 44 applicants for one open position. So you are telling us no recent grads want a job after graduation? Either back up your claim or risk totally losing any credibility.

And to attack Walker for releasing revised and CORRECT job #s early..... Do you really think any politician in a hot campaign would not do exactly the same, esp. when the facts totally disprove his opponents false attacks. Looks like your lack of political naivety is showing.. Good try, tho.

Finally, there is not one piece of evidence that Walkers defense fund is "breaking the law". I guess it's "put up or shut up" for you ( we should be so lucky). Evidence pls.

So, come on, use facts and back your claims. That way, you will be listened to.

You don't get to use quote marks if you're not actually quoting. Who, in Wisconsin, is planning to enter the teaching profession? Telling me about people who are already in it is not the same thing. How many are starting courses to give them teaching qualifications? Who?

On Walker's defense fund, I gave the reference to the statute that allows it to be set up. You say he is not breaking the law by setting it up - I think you are almost certainly correct. I did not claim that he was breaking that law (thank you for putting words in my mouth yet again, only that either that was the case or, since he has been neither charged nor convicted of a crime (it seems likely it would be public knowledge if that were the case), he is being investigated for a crime. If he's not being investigated for a crime, he is breaking the law by setting up the defense fund. If he is satisfying the law regarding the setting up of a defense fund, then he is being criminally investigated.

But yet the BLS survey was the only number that was out of wack. All other indicators showed job growth.

He, he... David you are one of a kind. I like your way of thinking. The GOP just can't stop spinning. I don't know about you, but I'm getting dizzy...! There's always a way to pervert the facts. There's a lot of perversion going on with Walker and the TPers.

@David Tatarowicz... I don't believe they are using the 'New Hire Reporting' to calculate the number of jobs created. They used the term 'quarterly reporting', so I think they are using the quarterly-UI reporting forms;employers are required to submit a list of employees and their wages for the quarter. It is used to determine UI benefits and eligibility.
http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/ui201/images/forms/w_quarterly_wage_report.htm

Vicki:

You may want to note that David is the one that is guilty of the 'perverted spinning' that seems to be making you dizzy...

That would explain the large shift in numbers from earlier reports. The problem I have with republicans is that they push flat out lies like it was the truth. The reason being is that if you have enough money hammering the lies home the other side can't refute them fast enough nor with enough strength.

Actually the CPS counts as unemployed those people who have been actively looking for work (searching for job listings does not count; apply for an opening does) but don't have a job. UI claims factor into local estimates of the unemployment rate, but the UI claim rate tends to run at only about half the headline unemployment rate.

The employment rate is a rather better indicator of the health of the economy as a whole, agreed: the number of jobs should be expected to shift with demographic changes as well as the fundamentals of the economy, and the U3 rate can be deceptive in a variety of situations.

"Walker is too interested in an agenda that is not creating jobs -- period !"

And Barrett has only his wind mill plan and a truely rotten track record. Barrett had backing from Doyle for much of his administration and Milwaukee is a disaster. The black male unemployment rate in Milwaukee is over 53% and if we follow your explanation of the numbers, it's much worse than that. Stomp your feet and scream that Walker is cooking the employment books, but he is still the much better choice of the two. If you want to recall, due to jobs, every democrat in the Capitol has done nothing but obstruct job creation. Go after them.
The recall was never about jobs, but it is now just one of the straws you are grasping at.

Let's compare Walker's and Barrett's track records.

We can make a very appropriate comparison between April 2004 (when Barrett became Mayor of Milwaukee) and December 2010 (when Walker ceased to be the Milwaukee County Executive).

City unemployment rose 0.7%. County unemployment rose 1.5%.

If there's a rotten track record to be had in Milwaukee, it's Walker's.

But since Walker left the City of Milwaukee unemployment rate has gone up 29%. I guess Walker was good for Milwaukee and barrett is still an empty shirt.

Sure, why not?
Makes more sense than the left's claim that Milwaukee's employment problems are Walker's falt, but Wisconsins employment problems are not Obama's fault.
Just blame it alll on Walker, it's fun and we get to bang on drums.

So you prefer having the public unions steal hundreds of millions of dollars from us taxpayers and you must really want Wisconsin to be upside-down like California.

Public unions steal Greg? What about multi million dollar CEO's wage packages?

Trouble is that in granting the numbers in this new report are 100% above board, Wisconsin's 2011 jobs record rises from apocalyptic all the way up to national disgrace.

Actually it doesn't even do that, because there aren't any comparable numbers out for any other state's QWEC at all. If there is a reason the CES is out of sync with QWEC for Wisconsin's jobs, Walker has offered no explanation for it and hence no reason why the same issue wouldn't apply equally to all other states as well.

So there's nothing here that suggests Walker has led Wisconsin to anything but last place in 2011 job creation, even granting everything in Newsom's report.

So I take it you agree that the revised #s are "100% above board"? Welcome back from the dark side !

Even if the gain of 33,000 jobs is only good enough for 'last place', why is that such a bad thing? It's still 33,000 jobs on the positive side...

The conclusions from it are that: (a) Walker's 2011 job creation record is now a national disgrace; (b) the new figures do nothing to raise Wisconsin off the bottom of the charts in job creation; and (c) Walker lied his ass off in 2011 by citing data he knew was bovine manure for political gain (especially the June jobs report just before the summer's Senate recall elections).

Do you accept that?

@Cowdung: the 33,000 figure requires a certain amount of twisting and turning.

It's the sum of the 2011 figures (using the QWEC as gospel and the CES survey as a waste of paper) and the 2012 figures (which don't have QWEC at all and treating the CES survey as gospel).

If we're still in last place, the fact of the matter is that Walker represents the bottom 2% of state-level economic leadership in this country and we could do so much better than him with any random governor.

As I mentioned in other threads, if Wisconsin is at full employment, we would be likely also be last in job creation. Being last in 'job creation' is not necessarily a bad thing. Our unemployment rate is still better than that of most other states...

Barrett's unemployment rate for black males is over 53%. So let's give him a better job?
Why don't we talk Barrett? The leftys are good at cutting people down, but they never have a solution. Barrett has a war on black males and the left deflects towards Governor Walker. We celebrate the jobs numbers, after all it is good for Wisconsin, and the democrats, lead by Zelinski, push for our state to fail. They are out burning signs and next they will probably be burning our flag.

Truth is not something that I equate with republican politics.

He has obviously bought your vote. Note that most republicans will not use there real names on these blogs.