Or elect a new Governor who represents Wisconsin, not the ALEC/Koch agenda. Let's see what happens.

Let's stay with our current Governor who represents Wisconsin, not the Union agenda. Let's see what happens.

How many have you sent Bren?

http://www.kansas.com/2012/02/17/2219424/charles-koch-employees-reveal.html

It's unfortunate that the Wichita Eagle failed to present any solid evidence with its story, as it raises credibility questions.

@Bren -

That's an interesting position to be taking considering that you never once ripped on one of Jon Nichols hit pieces against the Koch's as 'raising credibility questions,' despite what recently happened to Nichols' latest hit piece against Paul Ryan in the Cap Times!

Nichols, The Nation, and The Cap Times are an absolute embarrassment, and yet you're calling out the Wichita Eagle???

Once again, your partisanship is showing :-)

Bren is a moderate, he once typed it here making it true.

Mr. Hoffa, John Nichols backs up his assertions with facts, which is why I wouldn't raise credibility issues about him.

I wasn't aware of what happened with Nichols and the Cap Times, but I looked it up and found this:

“Nichols wrote a short story based on the fake release and made follow-up calls to flesh out the story, but began to have doubts when he discovered that other sources had not heard about the release. He alerted editors to hold the story but it had already posted,” the paper explained." (http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/regret-the-error/164442/capital-times-pulls-story-after-being-fooled-by-hoax-press-release/)

Personally, I appreciate it when a media outlet admits to making a mistake and self-edits.

@Bren -

You are in severe denial! That story never should have seen the light of day if Nichols had any sort of journalistic integrity, and you know it!!!

Your defense of him while trashing the Wichita Eagle proves conclusively once and for all that you my friend are in fact a died in the wool lefty liberal Democrat.

The article stated that he alerted editors when the error was found. There's not much else to be done at that point except print a correction, which they did. It happens, even to the WSJ and NYT.

Bren, And this is what happens to an innocent man for turning in his union brother who is a theif.
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19931015&slug=1726192

@Bren -

In reality, a responsible journalist usually confirms the actual existence of a story before writing the story, let alone publishing it. Here, Nichols wrote his story based off an Onion style parody that he found on some liberal blog and mistakenly took as gospel. Only a partisan hack would do this and you know it! That would be like writing a story about a blizzard dumping 10 feet of snow in Honolulu, Hawaii just because it showed up on some blog without actually confirming the existence of the story with the National Weather Service first. But, I guess if your name is Nichols, Bren will you trust no matter where you happen to pull your information or 'facts' from. At this point, I personally believe that the Onion has more credibility than Nichols when it comes to responsible journalism - at least they admit that their pieces are parodies! Nichols still believes that he's writing and publishing the truth.

I am looking forward to Scott Walker being refreshed with MORE votes in the recall than he originally got in the first election -just as the attempt to recall Roberta Darling backfired on them and she got more votes the 2nd time around.

Mr. Hoffa, you have more information about this story than I do. Yes, this was an amateurish mistake.

The news business is so competitive that in the drive to get the "scoop" things like this happen--it's even happened to the Grey Lady. And let's not forget the Chicago Tribune's very bad day of November 3, 1948, when their headline blazed "Dewey defeats Truman."

Once again you are jumping to conclusions about me, etc., but if it makes you happy...

I would never accept a report of that nature at face value, simply for the sake of editor's discretion. One never knows if a potentially significant fact has been omitted because of space constraints, etc.

Steve, that's a horrible crime you shared.

@Bren -

If what you now claim is indeed true, then why don't you give the benefit of the doubt to the Wichita Eagle, as I'm sure if facts came to light disproving what they wrote that they too would issue a retraction, just as the Cap Times / Nichols did, right?

But no, instead you're quick to throw the "raises credibility questions," without any corroborating evidence to back up such an assertion, against the Eagle just because of your perceived 'partisan' take on the story published, in that you already believe that the Koch's are the proverbial political enemy to your values and beliefs.

How does this not in fact make you the partisan that I called you out on being?

Mr. Hoffa, without legitimate information sources we are left with assertions, conjecture, and hearsay. While gossip and rumour may have some foundations in truth, more often than not they provide a distorted and subjective view and thus are not credible.

There is also the issue of track record. There are certain posters on Patch whose sources I am inclined to trust because the information they present has been verified. Others, not so much.

In viewing the Wichita Eagle, a publication with which I was previously unfamiliar, I did and would question any article presented without sources.

Concerning your intent of trying to pigeonhole me, you are always welcome to continue, but please remember that what I express on Patch, by intention, is very limited in scope.

Bren - Does the Huffington Post pay you per post, or by the hour?

@Steve
You sure set a low bar for Hero status.

#HERO

@morninmist -

Actually, I believe that Obama has a monopoly in occupying the low bar for "Hero status."

Well I doubt it is the same Donald Duck, only an idiot would retire to Wisconsin not knowing what the taxes are going to be.
Once the people of Wisconsin elect Walker again- it is a mandate to reduce our tax bills. This may reduce the amount of retirees moving to the South and West from Wisconsin.

You have to accept two premises here.

1) People will be disengaged at the same level that they were in 2010.

2) The Koch money will buy up every shred of air time during the six weeks of the recall election.

For 1) to happen there will have to be a mass mind erasure. As for 2), outside money has bought a whole slew of Walker feel good ads since the holidays.

They have saturated bombed the beach and have not moved Walker's numbers a lick. So when the recall fun kicks in, the opposition can fire back.

If somehow Walker manages to survive the recalls, sitting on the shelve will be dozens of stink flowers will be local school budgets, way underfunded because of the disappearance of the federal funding which propped them up this time around. And oh yeah, the John Doe probe.

Either he is gone now or gone eventually. Which do you prefer?

@Keith -

Care to put your money where your mouth is with your predictions?

After the money that you saved me on my Tea Party Harmony subscription, I have a little extra gambling/investing money this month!

For me, betting on Walker sure does look like a solid investment as opposed to a gamble. So, what do you say - care to make a wager?

James- Best not to gamble with our borrowed tax dollars

@Steve -

Good point :-)

We now know that less than one million actual total signatures were collected, regardless of validity. That leads one to review how reports on the signature totals were stylized by the press:
From the J/S: 'Democrats seeking to recall Gov. Scott Walker filed more than a million signatures Tuesday, virtually guaranteeing a historic recall election against him later this year.' http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/recall18-8g3r7ui-137489833.html

And the sub headline from this, yes this, Patch article, written after the Verify the Recall group released their totals: 'Friends of Scott Walker Campaign announced Monday that given the "impossible deadline" it had to challenge the 1 million signatures turned in, it would not challenge any.'

Think the J/S will do a Politifact on the bias reporting on the Walker recall?

Always nice to see you all reassure yourselves.

@mau
Only a TeaGOP'er would be sign as Donald duck or another fake name.

TeaGOP'er account for 5000 out of state signatures?

@Keith, I'm not a fortune teller so I can't say which way this recall will go. Are you?

That's we play the game Mau.

I guess you prefer union paid TV lies...

Well you could always write in Aristotle if you wish.

Please provide some proof of the alledged corruption. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. And I'm talking real corruption, not this I used my office computer to post on a blog in support of Scott Walker.

Well, porttreis, there's always the two Walker appointees to the same position who both embezzled funds from the families of veterans, and the son of a donor hired to a very well-paying job over several other better qualified candidates -- until it leaked out.

Tonight the Dems air their first ad

Love the association of ---I am not a crook- Nixon to Walker.

Watergate-Walkergate

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/walkergate?refcode=DPWe022712_2

People are posting there is no corruption under Walker? HUH?? Whether or not you like unions, exempting the badges from ACT 10 isn't an outright act of corruption and collusion?? This is classic NYC and Chicago style corruption and people support this? Unbelievable.

Randy, I recall it being 1 appointee who embezzled funds and the investigation was called by Walker himself. By whose opinion was the other candidates better qualified? And if I concede these 2 acts of 'corruption', then what you have is pretty weak. Now if Governor Walker himself had embezzled the funds then you'd have someghing.

@Porttreis -- Kevin Kavanaugh and Tim Russell served sequentially.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/01/05/398712/scott-walker-investigation-arrest/

The investigation was instigated by Tom Nardelli, not Gov. Walker.

By whose opinion was Brian Deschane not as qualified as the other two candidates? Well, the other two had worked in the department, had experience and college degrees.
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/119159584.html

@Nick -

So, you want to 'eliminate' a majority of the citizens of the state just because they happen to be Walker "followers and advocates?" That's quite a violent position to be taking, don't you think? Not to mention that I was under the impression that you were above the whole Koch Bros conspiracy theories. But if this is honestly the best you can come up with, that's pretty weak!!!

Have fun writing in Aristotle!

@morninmist -

Nixon was a fantastic President and one of the best in modern US history. I see a comparison of Walker to Nixon as a compliment, as most conservatives probably would. Are the Dems really that stupid that they don't get this? I guess they must be appealing to lowest common denominator with such ads - looks kinda desperate to me!

I do not think the ad is trying to win over hard core TeaParty-Repugs such as you.
Instead it is aimed at the CROOK in Nixon--and the association with Walker. Of course you knew that.

From Hoffa...
"Nixon was a fantastic President and one of the best in modern US history. I see a comparison of Walker to Nixon as a compliment, as most conservatives probably would. Are the Dems really that stupid that they don't get this? I guess they must be appealing to lowest common denominator with such ads - looks kinda desperate to me!"

Why not. After all, Walker was claiming the jobs created under Doyle. When those ran out and Scottie laid his big giant egg of a budget, everything went south.

Once we clear the second round of school budgets Doyle might even look good to you guys.

I'd be surprised if Doyle didn't leave the state out of shame.

I herd on MSNBC that he is hanging out with Sandy Pasch.

Why would he stay here and pay the taxes he created?

Sandy just lost her mother. Do you think you guys could show a little respect?

Wondering where she is? Doing the job for the people of this state. Not that would be of any interest for you.

Tough year for her, I hadn't herd. Lot's of losing.

@JRH, I think Doyle is in Spain collecting some of his kick-back money.

@mau -

I hope he brought some large aluminum suitcases with him :-)

Kinda miss those jobs created under the Doyle administration created in the first half of 2011.

That's the fun part.

Good advice Lyle.

But, all in all, it was a good day for Democrats today.

Oh Lyle, not only have I counted my chickens, I am enjoying omelets made from their eggs.

Like Ron Johnson said to the guy from Hubertus, "he's from Hubris."

He's a turn-coat RINO.

Bren,
Yes, we need lots more moderates in Madison. I am so glad he is willing to work with the Democrats on the mining issue.

morninmist, I'm thinking that with more conscience-voting/district representing Republicans like Schultz in the state legislature, some of Scott Walker's radicalism might have been contained. Rubber-stamping politicians exacerbated the situation.

@Bren -

What does this crap have to do with the recall signatures? Trolling a little I see. Are you sure you don't get paid to post?

Is the pot calling the kettle black Mr. Hoffa?

@ Hoffa

Bren's post has everything to do with this recall and the challenging of sigs!!. If we had moderates or if the Republicans had not rubber-stamped everything FitzWalker put in front of their noses, and had instead used their own independent judgement, we would not be in the recall process now.

............
James R Hoffa

12:40 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@Bren -

What does this crap have to do with the recall signatures? Trolling a little I see. Are you sure you don't get paid to post?

@morninmist -

That's only premised upon your perception of reality, which is highly skewed and not representative of the majority consensus reality, is it? In fact, many of us see Van Wanggaard as a principled moderate that exercises his own independent judgment, and yet you guys are tying to recall him.

Also, you weren't upset when Doyle or Obama had friendly majorities that worked to the advantage of their respective agendas, were you?

Nice try, but once again, you've been Hoffa'd!

Isn't Van Wanggard a retired police officer? He voted to strip collective bargaining yet benefited from it during his time on the force, and now receives a public employee pension?

Mr. Hoffa, how is it that this man deserves praise while other public employees have been vilified? I can appreciate that people in his district (especially other Republican public employees) might be astonished by his vote. How could a man of conscience vote to strip rights from others that he himself enjoys?

John W. Lehman, who Wanggaard defeated, was a Democratic member of the Wisconsin Senate, representing the 21st District from 2007 through 2011. He was previously a member of the Wisconsin State Assembly from 1996 through 2004. During those years he was on leave from his job as a history and economics high school teacher in the Racine Unified School District. When he lost to Wanggaard, he was reinstated to his former position and then retired with his accumulated years, as if he had never left his occupation.

So he is going to run against Wanggaard again. So will anybody point out he is double dipping?

@Bren -

Wanggaard played the part of the pants he was wearing at those respective times/careers - a very professional person no matter what occupation he happens to be filling, wouldn't you say?

Who's 'vilifying' other public employees - certainly not me. And definitely not Van. Those employees' union locals and statewide leadership let their members down by engaging in wild cat actions all over the state after having previously accepted Gov-elect Walker's concessions - that's been proven time and again. So, when Van voted on the BRB as he did, it's because he saw that those unions weren't playing fairly.

Also, it's not like those other public employees don't continue to have a seat at the table, as they are all represented by their duly elected representatives in Madison, just as the founding of our government always originally intended it to work. Now, they're on equal footing and leverage with the taxpayers that provide their compensation packages, correct?

I believe that this entire argument can best be summarized via the popular 'hate the game, not the player' quip.

Bren - Sorry for thinking you were paid to post for the Huffington Post.

Looks like YOU PAID for the privilege to troll the Mt. Pleasant Patch for the Huff Po.

"Via Jim Romenesko, we're reminded that Arianna Huffington is so cheap, not only does The Huffington Post fail to pay interns. They charge interns for the privilege! How very "One Percent" of her.

A Huffington Post internship sold on CharityBuzz.com for $5,200 this week, reports Jeff Bercovici. "In an auction held last spring, a three-month internship netted a massive $14,400. Last year, one sold for $9,000, and in 2009 the winning bid was $13,000. That price history makes $5,200 look like a serious bargain, and that’s even before you factor in the free soda and the nap rooms."

http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2011/12/03/occupy-huffington-post-so-snooty-they-charge-internships

@Tim Scott...You know sir, unfounded allegations and claims sometimes step across a line and are considered libelous. If you don't believe me talk to my friend Hoffa.

Mr. Hoffa, I struggle with this new prevailing wisdom that all public employees are [insert invective here], except Mr. Van Wannggard. We can't have it both ways, otherwise that would be hypocritical.

Tim Scott, neither you or your "news" source Tim Graham (NewsBusters) seem to be familiar with the concept of the charity auction. There are several online auction sites that provide this service, which adds an interesting new dimension to the traditional live (auctioneer) and silent (clipboard) auction concepts: eBay, CharityBuzz, BiddingforGood, etc. The nonprofit solicits donations from local corporations and individuals to sell on the auction site. The item donor and winner receive a charitable tax deduction, and the charitable auction gets the cash. Personally, I agree that an internship with HuffPost would be an amazing "experience" gift, perfect for a young person just out of college. The student gets a wonderful experience at a noted media site, and the parent and the charity get tax breaks. It's a win-win!

bing #&% bang >#% pow !#& :)

@mau -

Nice bashing :-)

We need to interject some humor into the discussion.

Always!

I think moreinthemist wants to be an RSS feed when he grows up.

@morninmist -

Where's the '#wiunion' hash tag?

Here you go Hoffa--Recall this one?? ha ha

Jaxon Brow ‏ @JaxonBrow
3 of 3: Finally, on this date last year, Fox news showed us the palm trees really do grow in WI! youtu.be/jOqBpsh94xQ #wiunion #facepalmtree

@morninmist -

Just the usual trying to make something out of nothing for you guys. Context is what your side was missing with that outlandish conspiracy theory story.

@TOM...What is your point, seniority no longer exists, Eliminated with ACT-10.

Tom
Your message is one of hate--yet you call on your God to bless Scooter. up is down and down is up in your Repugland.

@TOM -

You really need to lay off the booze before you post!

It looks like you are unaware of a lot of facts.

J.B., another $700,000 was just dropped into Walker's campaign for advertising. I appreciate your sarcasm but believe that if Walker is removed, so too might any pressure to keep trying to push the ALEC agenda and balance might be regained.

Thanks for a tour through your imaginary world James.

Just how do you see this happening? The waters of the John Doe probe are rising while the jobs are dropping. People are getting more, not less, pissed off. And all the Koch's money and all the Koch's men, are not going to put together a win again because the volumes they are spending now aren't moving the needle for Walker.

All this campaign would do is enrich the Wisconsin media and blot out any other advertising for two months.

It's not halftime in Wisconsin. It's overtime and it's way over time that we get rid of this corrupt incompetent who is selling out the soul of the state.

Yeah, I'd be happy to take that friendly wager James, if any thing to do a little unmasking and maybe we could share a drink.

@Keith -

Who's the one that believes in the big bad evil Koch boogey-men? If all Walker needs is the Koch's and he's their puppet, as you and your side constantly claims, then why are you guys constantly complaining about him doing campaign fundraising all over the country? After all, he has the Koch's - he doesn't need to pander for a few thousand a plate or $30k-50k like Obama does, right?

Sounds like we're on then - I'm willing to do $100, but we'll call it $50 as this is a friendly wager after all, presented in persona to the winner not more than 3 weeks after the results from the recall election are verified at a location of your choosing. If a recall is not triggered for whatever reason, and the John Doe fails to indict Walker by Nov 1, 2012, then Hoffa will be declared the winner by default and the same satisfaction requirements will then apply. If Walker is indicted before Nov 1, then an eventual judgment by the trial court upholding a conviction of any kind against Walker, excluding any appellate proceedings, will secure a default in favor of Mr. Schmitz and again the same satisfaction requirements will then apply.

Sound good?

Sounds fair to me Sir. You're on.

You all are witnesses BTW.

Alright Patchers -

You heard it here - Schmitz v Hoffa in a friendly wager on the Walker saga.

I wonder if we'll see any side action going on!

Thanks for being a good sport Keith!

@robert -

I won't hold my breath ;-)

And you really think the Kochs and other vulture capitalists have this state's best interests in mind?

Soros' sin? He saw the rise of the fascists in Europe and he doesn't want it to happen here. But, maybe you're into that.

Pete, I subscribe to Open Society Foundations. Here's a sampling of issues in their most recently newsletter:

Costly Voter ID Law Dies in Virginia
The state of Virginia decided it didn’t have the cash for a Voter ID law that would have required proof of citizenship for new voter registrations and photo ID at the polls...the eye-popping cost – between $7.91 million and $22.59 million – to implement and defend the bill.

The U.S. Torture Program in Drama and Dialogue
What is the connection between theater, democracy, and human rights? Karen Malpede, co-founder and resident playwright/director of Theater Three Collaborative, explores this question in a blog post about her compulsion to write a play about the U.S. torture program.

Supreme Court Rejects Haphazard GPS Tracking
Do the police need a warrant to attach a GPS device to a suspect’s car and track its movements for weeks at a time? The Supreme Court, in what might be the biggest Fourth Amendment decision in the digital age, unanimously ruled that the warrantless surveillance was invasive and unconstitutional.

• How Washington D.C.’s investments in education can help increase public safety, Justice Policy Institute
• Mandatory minimum ensnares law-abiding Marine, The Washington Times
• Curbing suspensions right thing to do, Baltimore Sun
• Importance of Mentoring: Mentoring USA

Sorry, this just doesn't read "anti-American" to me.

"Karen Malpede, co-founder and resident playwright/director of Theater Three Collaborative, explores this question in a blog post about her compulsion to write a play about the U.S. torture program."

Why do our condescending and politically correct cultural elites never discover a compulsion to write a play about the oppression of women under Sharia law, or the wholesale slaughter of Christian minorities in Nigeria, Egypt and Somalia?

They're not anti-American, just pro-hypocrisy.

The U.S. Torture Program in Drama and Dialogue
What is the connection between theater, democracy, and human rights? Karen Malpede, co-founder and resident playwright/director of Theater Three Collaborative, explores this question in a blog post about her compulsion to write a play about the U.S. torture program.

*********************

Good lord - seriously? Shades of "Waiting for Guffman".

With all the money Soros racked up, that makes him a rather piss-poor socialist. And if that is what socialism is all about, where do we sign up?

And you have not been brainwashed by FOX and Chuckie Sykes?

A little sensitive aren't we? Where did I say you were a fascist, unless I smoked you out by you volunteering to wear the label?

Ask yourself, if you are for corporate control of the government and the media, ginned up fake crisis, setting apart racial and social groups for derision, eliminating unions, jailing people on an immense scale, imaging a thug class, then, to paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, you just might be a fascist.

BTW -- can you even define what a socialist is? If you can't, stop throwing labels around.

Stay classy Alfie

@Hoffa, where's your documentation for your facts?? Even the national news has reported over a million. Of course, there's always the possibility that the Republicans submitted fraudulent recalls sheets or signatures. But, I have no proof so I'm going to go by what's been reported. I'm sure that you'll say that it's only the "liberal" media that's reported those numbers. I don't count Fox news as the news.

@Vicki -

Do the math for yourself. About 152,000 petition pages against Gov Walker were submitted, as confirmed by this article, correct? Most of the sheets submitted contained spaces for either 5 or 10 signatures, yielding an average of 7.5 possible signatures per sheet, correct? So if every single line was filled in on every single sheet submitted, that would give us approximately 1,140,000 possible signatures, yes? Random sampling has shown that of the available signatures spaces, roughly 68.7% are actually filled in, which would indicate that the number of signatures actually submitted as being somewhere around 783,180, just as I previously asserted.

Eliminating duplicates, fraudulent, out-of-state, invalid, etc from the mix, and you'll find that it's actually quite close to the threshold 540k needed to trigger a recall election. Granted, there probably are enough valid signatures to indeed trigger the recall, but definitely no where near the 1M+ as claimed by the Dems and reported by most media outlets. It's just mathematically impossible when you work the numbers for yourself, as I've just done for you here.

I find it amazing that news sources, like the J/S, regularly repeated that 1 million signatures were collected; all they did was parrot the recall group, as fact, without any independent confirmation or disclaimers. The Verify the Recall group actually counted the signatures; it's about 850k lines with signatures. And the 'news' wants you to believe it doesn't have any political leanings in its reporting?
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/recall18-8g3r7ui-137489833.html

Jay, I think J/S has pretty much decided they're going to limit the amount of actual reporting they do to their investigative series to which they assign 8 beat reporters and 2 editors, and drag out a 1/2 page story for 15 issues in hopes of winning a Press Club award. Beyond that and the few local stories that don't eat up a lot of $$$ from their expense budget, press releases will suffice, apparently.

Why bother, really, anyways? When they do actually stumble onto something (like the recent story on Chris Abele bumping up staff salaries considerably over those paid by Walker, even though he promised he wouldn't), nobody cares.

If Mike Tate says it's so and the GAB doesn't care to argue the point, that's good enough for them. As long as they have someone to blame it on in the event it isn't true, that's all that matters.

When all is said on done, we will have the signatures. It's just the GOP has a taste for side shows.

Walker's usual nonsense where he says one thing and does another, like claiming he launched the investigation into Russell et al. Now he claims he isn't going to challenge, while the Choke Brothers funded groups claim that process is fraudulence.

If they spent more time into working beneficial policy instead of working the refs, maybe 1% Walker wouldn't be in a recall battle.

@Bob McBride... I expect the bile from pr hacks, of all political persuasions, but to continually lead, in article after article, with the unsubstantiated claims from the anti-Walker crowd just beggars belief;this trash belongs on the the ed and op-ed pages.

My morning paper delivery guy and the J/S are due to be down a bit a revenue. I've renewed for Sun & Wed delivery. I'll read the death notices and Frank n' Ernest on-line for the balance of the week;save a hundred bucks/year too. I've been saying I would cut the J/S off for years, guess I'm taking the first step....

Jay, we've been on Sunday only (until they threw in the Wed as a part of it) for years. I used to pick up the daily and read it during lunch out on the road. Pretty much gave that up when it became nearly impossible to find a functioning vending machine. Now, at a buck a copy from the newsstand I wouldn't even consider it. Even the Wed we get delivered rarely gets read. By the time I get to the paper, I've already been exposed to all the news stories elsewhere, the editorials are mindless, the investigative stuff is dragged out.

My wife get's a weeks worth of reading out of the Sunday, otherwise we'd cancel as I've been tempted to several times when renewal comes around and I have to play the phone transfer game with them in order to get the "special" pricing from the "retention" department (I think last time around, in order to get the best pricing I had to omit the TV listings section). They never manage to get the renewal notice to us (somehow, even though they deliver the paper to us at the correct address, they've got some other address in the system for billing which we correct for them, yearly). For some reason they're online renewal thing is always messed up when I try to use that.

The online version is one of the clumsiest out there and has a horrible search function. I don't know how much longer they can hang in there at this rate but I won't miss them when they're gone

On the bias, I guess you have to read it to notice. I hardly notice.

Don't kid yourself. Just like his claim that he is cooperating with the John Doe, Walker may find a way to challenge the signatures without doing it himself -- http://cognidissidence.blogspot.com/2012/02/dont-mark-your-recall-calendars-just.html.

@Vicki -

You've been spending far too much time over on the Daily Kos instead of in reality with the rest of us. Walker would only need to invalidate between 220,000 - 290,000 signatures in order to prevent the recall from happening. And yet, you seem to believe that around 2M signatures were submitted for Walker's recall??? You must be getting that from the Daily Kos.

In all reality, only about 760k-830k signatures were submitted to recall Walker. Tate and Zielinski lied to you. And there's a 20%-30% fraudulent/invalid ratio that's been confirmed by the Milwaukee J/S. If you do the math, you'll see that the number of valid signatures is actually extremely close the 540k threshold needed to trigger the recall.

You may want to change your source of information to something a little more impartial.

Jimmy, bet you most of those signatures are from signers screwing it up. And attempts at fraud are futile considering the scale of all the signatures. What I heard from around the state is if we could have gotten to all the people who wanted to sign, the numbers would have far higher.

Yeah, and I guess a college degree really would have done Steve Jobs and William H. Gates III a lot of good, right?

Intellectual elitism argument from the left - very typical from your side robert!

BTW, I like Santorum - he's my number two pick behind Paul!

It's not really elitism, JRH. i agree that college can't put intelligence into a person, nor the lack of a degree take it away. But you will find that regardless of ability, the requirement for a college degree is used as a way of narrowing down applicants for a job, even if a person without a degree is perfectly capable of doing them. I'm talking about some managerial positions not anything that requires a technical degree.

As an employer, albeit of the unskilled variety, I've vowed never to measure a person's worth based on the paper behind their name.

In reality, I think that degrees are highly overrated, despite having plenty of paper behind my own name - if that doesn't tell you how honest I'm being about this subject, then I don't known what will!

Thanks for keeping it real Lyle. We can't take anything for granted.

Don't fool yourself. Walker has surrogates to do his dirty work, as always.

@Nick -

I find the argument of blaming the drug dealer as opposed to the drug addict as being an incredulous one at best. Demand, such as allowing one's political / ideological / voting decisions to be influenced by a :30 or :60 second media spot is a far bigger problem than those who are supplying those media spots, wouldn't you say? After all, I honestly don't see anyone that posts on the Patch boards as allowing a campaign commercial to influence their vote one way or the other - do you? All the supply in the world is meaningless and worthless without a corresponding demand, wouldn't you agree?

While you like to blame the proverbial drug dealers, I like to hold accountable the proverbial drug users - or in this case, low information voters, irregardless of what side they happen to be voting for.

BTW - I thought that LaFollette was still considering jumping into the race on the Dem side, or do you not see him as being a worthy successor to the family name?

And don't forget, we have not fired back yet.

@Keith Schmitz

Walker is contributing to his own demise when he wrecks our environment. We have a proud heritage of protecting our natural resources and Walker just hands them over to developers!!

Folks will remember this come recall election day!! This reminds me of all the hunter's with their orange jackets who stopped to sign the recall petitions late last November.

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scottwalkerwatch ‏ @scottwalkerwtch
Walker chooses wetlands environmental decay so he can continue with “pay-to-play” scottwalkerwatch.com/2012/03/01/wal… #wiunion #wirecall

Unions and the Democrats are the friend of you while 1% Walker is the friend of the few.

What did he know and when did he know it?

Henry II ""Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

I still believe in the tooth fairy

Let's get real Steve you believe in Ayn Rand!

BOB - You seem disconnected from reality - so let me assist you.

It is now 2012 - and the World is GLOBALLY connected. You don't have to like it, nor is there any point in arguing why we are here - deal with reality.

The private sector is now engaged in world-wide competition. The public sector is not.

With the rise of the BRICs has come an increased demand for oil to fuel the growth of industrial society. Despite leaps in technology, a large increase in drilling activity,and the number of active wells, oil production has been on a plateau since 2005 for C & C (crude and condensate). Growth has been primarily in ALL LIQUIDS - which are NOT crude and have a lower BTU output - we are seeing an increase in all liquids + C & C however net BTU's are going down. Also EROEI (Energy return on energy investment) is falling. When EROEI is 1=1 it's game over. We are currently estimated to be at 10:1, perhaps as low as 8:1. In the not so distant past it was 100:1. Also, the World has used up almost all the $20/bbl oil.

Input costs, because of increased energy costs, have caused deflation in private sector wages and inflation in energy, food and everything that depends upon oil. The public sector and government have passed these increased costs onto the private sector - thus hitting the private sector with a double increase in costs, while their wages decline and prices rise.

It's NOT sustainable. Better THINK FAST!

Yeah, becuse we all know how well Democrats run things.

Highland Park School District - Teachers NOT being paid - they are out of other peoples money - NOW WHAT?

"The troubled Detroit Public Schools district will co-manage the fiscally foundering Highland Park School District for the next four months under a new agreement announced Friday by the state.

An agreement was signed Friday by Jack Martin, the newly reappointed emergency manager for the Highland Park district; Roy Roberts, emergency manager for DPS, and state Treasurer Andy Dillon.

"This unique agreement will ensure that students, who did not cause the district's financial emergency, will have the ability to finish the school year at HPS," Dillon said in a news release.

DPS -- itself in financial and academic turmoil -- started assisting Friday with the management and operation of the district, including handling personnel-related functions. Martin will continue to handle Highland Park's financial issues."

AMERICA - It's lights out. Financial collapse is coming faster than you can imagine. Public Employees - you will work for food in the future - and be glad for it.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120303/NEWS05/203030381/Detroit-Public-Schools-to-co-manage-financially-troubled-Highland-Park-district?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

"PLYMOUTH TOWNSHIP, Mich. -
Six Plymouth Township firefighters will be losing their jobs because voters in that community rejected a special assessment millage."

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Plymouth-Township-Trustees-lay-off-6-firefighters/-/1719418/9197892/-/ff619uz/-/index.html

What part of "The Community can't continue to afford to OVERPAY you" do union thugs NOT understand?

Instead of taking cuts, and preserving full employment, 6 overpaid union thug Firefighters get thrown under the wheels of the bus.

Get used to it thugs - you're all going to be outsourced in the future - and beg to keep your job so you can merely eat.

@Tim Scott--- the fact you call Firefighters "thugs" shows your immature bias & you are not to be taken seriously or have anything meaningful to add to the conversation. Your rants are nonsensical.

From transcript of prank Koch-Walker conversation:
"Walker: And my sense is, hell, I'll talk to them. If they want to yell at me for an hour, you know. I'm used to that, I can deal with that. But I'm not negotiating."

Walker is surrounded by shady dishonest people and groups!

As was much discussed this week, the Walker Administration indicated on Tuesday that it would decline to challenge any of the recall campaign signatures,......

This could not have been welcome news to Texas (where else)- based Tea Party organization True the Vote, which just the day before had published the findings of its “review” of the recall documents, which concluded, in brazen contradiction of any scientific standard, that the recall effort had failed to meet the minimum number of signatures required to trigger an election.

Nor was it encouraging news for our friends from Texas when, as reported here, McFarland-based public relations firm PF-Data immediately published a “review of the review,” finding the True the Vote study to be rife with error and deliberate misinformation.....

http://www.defendwisconsin.org/2012/03/02/abandoned-by-governor-walker-tea-party-groups-soldier-on-in-fight-against-recall/