Allen will see your crap sandwich and raise it to a buffet.

It's better than what Allen West, Mitt Rommel, Paul Lyin', and the rest of the Idiot Tea-Bagging repucklicans are feeding the people.

The Tea/GOP/Koch is handing America a bunch of b.s. and calling it pumpkin pie!

Bren - your comments are irrelevant. Go back to designing bumper sticker slogans. You wasted yourself there. You want to have cred?

I like pie.

@Pull my string Keith Best....A black conservative? What does black have to do with it?

A real hero???

West was booted from the military in 2004 after torturing an Iraqi cop.

Claimed that up to 80 House Democrats are communists.

This is your hero???

Bizarre to say the least.

Steve Ebbie
34 minutes ago
A real hero???

West was booted from the military in 2004 after torturing an Iraqi cop.

Claimed that up to 80 House Democrats are communists.

This is your hero???

Bizarre to say the least."

Before you open your cake hole, read about the circumstances that lead up to this interrogation. Since you are a liberal male, you know nothing of war, the military, etc. Go back under the covers while real men protect your sorry ass.

@Pennypacker -
If you think West is a hero then you are the one that knows nothing about war or the military. He richly deserved his Article 15. If the military felt he deserved punishment does that mean they are all 'liberal males' as you say?

I watched West on one of the political programs--seemed more about making points and less about waiting his turn and being part of a dialogue.

@ Celadora
Bernie reply;
Yes, yes we understand that Mitt is a business success. Just as we understand how he went about it.Business he gets the job done no matter the cost to the employee’s. That’s business. There in, is the fly in the ointment.
National leader such as Obama does not have the luxury to ignore the constituents of our nation. Out sourcing when it is to the benefit to the nation as a whole is required. Romney is for profits to his immediate entourage of the few.
Outsourcing also reveals how Romney seeks the weakness of sovereignties that are striving to succeed. Taking advantage of lower benefiting laborers. Illuminating his strategy of following the third world as he expects our nation to emulate. Lower benefiting laborers and reduced quality. Romney follows the third world agendas and policies. This is what your children to emulate? Romney is Not a leader of a Nation. Raising the quality and laborers benefiting in the participation of their Nation as a community.
Romney out sourcing our leadership, as the worlds example, of what his pursuit of truth, justice, liberty and happiness, will not serve us well. Degrading our integrities and our democracy ,for the few will bring about chaos of failure, to our Nation.
Obama who has had the slowest growth in spending of any President in the past 60 years: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/

Bernie, Still up to the "Obama has the slowest spending growth in 60 years" nonsense. Once again, here are the facts:

(AGAIN, from the same OMB document on the White House website
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist.pdf )

YEAR ------ TOTAL SPENT ---% INCREASE
----------------(in millions)
2008 ..........2,982,544 .............9.30% (last year of Bush)
2009 ..........3,517,677 ...........17.94% (transition budget with TARP & ARRA)
2010 ..........3,456,213 ............-1.75% (first Obama budget)
(still higher than 2008 by 15.88%)
2011 ..........3,603,061 .............4.25%
2012 ..........3,795,547 .............5.34% (estimate)

Perhaps you didn't read the followups at the end of YOUR link explain how Politifact (not a NOBEL prize winning site) came to different conclusion than many other political analystist. Just to save you the trouble:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/may/25/lots-heat-and-some-light-obamas-spending/

and

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-facts-about-the-growth-of-spending-under-obama-part-2/2012/05/30/gJQA3V4d2U_blog.html

And you still haven't answered the question:how do you go from 2.982 TRILLION to 3.795 TRILLION (a 27% increase in four years) and still have "the slowest growth in spending of any President in the past 60 years"?!?!?!?!?!

Bernie, the key paragraph from the Washington Post link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-facts-about-the-growth-of-spending-under-obama-part-2/2012/05/30/gJQA3V4d2U_blog.html

"Obama supported and voted for Bush-started programs such as the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP). Moreover, many key appropriations bills were held back by Democrats until Obama became president, and then he pushed through an $830 billion stimulus bill (which consisted of mostly spending). In ordinary times, one could argue that 2009 should be counted as Bush’s year, but in fact many of the key spending decisions were actually made by Obama."

And let's not forget DEBT to GDP:

(once again from the OMD document on the White House website
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist.pdf )

From table 7.1 starting on page 139, the fifth column list Debt as percentage of GDP:
Year ---- Debt as % of GDP
2008 ---- 69.7
2009-----85.2
2010 ---- 94.2
2011 ---- 98.7
2012 ---- 104.8 (estimate, but right on track)

The Anti-Alinsky commented on VIDEO: Wisconsin GOP Delegates Hone In on Key Issues,
By all means let us not forget the debt to GDP Bush 20.7% Obama at
15.1 % that = 5,6% reduction to debt increase by Obama..
Obama’s war in Libya took less than a year to obtain the objective. Obama in corporation with the UN [Due to his astute diplomacy], No Boots on the ground, No American lives lost, and at far less cost than the sledgehammer strategies of the GOP’ers. Then goes on to drop and snatch Osama with no lost of American lives and No boots on the ground as an invading force to occupy. Then proceeds to rain down on all terrorist organizations leaders taking out a sizable portion of their organization and its ability to survive.
$Trillions upon $Trillions for the republican 2 nine year wars they shoved down our throats and not to mention the Billions and Billions on bail out of the republicans buddies on Wall Street at the cost of Main Street real estate and fiancés. {lost to Main Street- $11 Trillion !}, 750,000 per month increase to unemployment, 9% retraction to GDP.

Wow Bernie, now you've just moved onto flat out lies:

"...debt to GDP Bush 20.7% Obama at 15.1 % that = 5,6% reduction..."
OMB numbers posted above. Enough said.

"Obama’s war in Libya took less than a year to obtain the objective"
Hardly a war, Obama had the military shoot a few missiles into the country while the revolutionaries did the rest.

"Then goes on to drop and snatch Osama...".
It was Navy Seal team 6 that KILLED Osama, and after years of intelligence work

"Then proceeds to rain down on all terrorist organizations leaders taking out a sizable portion of their organization and its ability to survive."
That's been happening for years.

"$Trillions upon $Trillions for the republican 2 nine year wars..."
Remember 9-11

"...not to mention the Billions and Billions on bail out of the republicans buddies on Wall Street..."
TARP was supported by Obama.

Let's face it Bernie, not only are your conclusions wrong, now your facts are as well

@ The Anti-Alinsky

Bernie replies;
There you go again. Adding numbers that were already added. Now put down all of Bush’s numbers the same way, instead of just one, and then we can add his numbers up and see if we agree, Bush was just a tad better than Hoover! Really need to do something about your math comprehension abilities. Same source as yours shows Bush for just the last 4 years at 20.7% debt to GDP where in as Obama has 15.1% which equals a 5.6% reduction to debt to GDP.
That in the mist of all the sabotaging the republicans demonstrated. Including their 2 hostage/ ransom demands. Republicans this a good policy holding USA as hostage and then ransom it off to our Main Street USA… That is what you support? Patriot of America you would not be, with such ideologies.
Are we better off than 4 years ago? 2008 CRASH nearly falling off the cliff after the CRASH. OH YEAH!
Lowest spending in 60 years is being demonstrated by OBAMA presently; ;http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/ Nobel Prize Award site.

@ The Anti-Alinsky

Bernie replies;
Your OPINONATED rhetoric is just that. Debt to GDP is more accurate than your ramblings. 20.7% Debt to GDP by Bush. Obama at 15.1% = 5.6% reduction to debt. Now spin, spin.
Are we better off than 4 years ago? 2008 CRASH nearly falling off the cliff after the CRASH. OH YEAH!
Lowest spending in 60 years is being demonstrated by OBAMA presently; ;http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/ Nobel Prize Award site.

@ The Anti-Alinsky commented on VIDEO: Wisconsin GOP Delegates Hone In on Key Issues, which you are following.
(AGAIN, from the same OMB document on the White House website http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist.pdf ) YEAR ------ TOTAL SPENT ---% INCREASE ----------------(in millions) 2008 ..........2,982,544 .............9.30% (last year of Bush) 2009 ..........3,517,677 ...........17.94% (transition budget with TARP & ARRA) 2010 ..........3,456,213 ............-1.75% (first Obama budget) (still higher than 2008 by 15.88%) 2011 ..........3,603,061 .............4.25%
Bernie replies;
Your OPINONATED rhetoric is just that. Debt to GDP is more accurate than your ramblings. 20.7% Debt to GDP by Bush. Obama at 15.1% = 5.6% reduction to debt. Now spin, spin.
Are we better off than 4 years ago? 2008 CRASH nearly falling off the cliff after the CRASH. OH YEAH!
Lowest spending in 60 years is being demonstrated by OBAMA presently; ;http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/ Pulitzer Prize Award site.
Anti your right its not Noble its Pulitizer Thanks now I can correct that. Now did you notice that bar graph showing how republicans out spent the democrats. You discredit this site so we can say you’re the man. You’re the authority above them. THINK NOT!

Guys, the last time the U.S. economy was in this condition was the Great Depression. It took government spending and World War II to get out of it. I recently read a novel written in the early 1930s. The resonant quote was, "Folks have to get used to getting by on less." What we are experiencing mirrors what happened in the 1930s during the Great Depression. Perhaps this really is GD 2.0.

Businesses that have gone under will never hire people again. Companies that are saving labor costs by offshoring, with few exceptions, have proven that profit comes before patriotism and those jobs will never come home. Home values have plummeted, kids are graduating college with $50-$100,000+ in student loan debt and are finding $10/hour jobs.

The world has changed. Since the lessons of the Great Depression were forgotten we must make sure that we remember the awful lessons our generation has learned. It's pointless to compare growth/loss with better times, or blame a president in his first term for a debacle that was 15-20 years in the making. I want to give Obama a second term to give his administration's strategies an opportunity to percolate.

Bernie - give your keyboard a break! Geesh.

@Rees, I've changed a few words for your own amusement:
Answer just one question. Which arm of government actually has the authority to create law? From most of your comments here in support of executive orders, non-confirmed czars and runaway regulatory agencies it sounds like Obama does. And here I thought Congress was the body which actually creates law. Could this be a tactic to blame the lack of accomplishment of a sitting President on Congress for political gain? Hmmmmm.

I expected nothing less from you Gearhead. Different day, same rhetoric. I do notice you didn't answer the question I posed. (Gee, I wonder why?) hmmmm

Congress is supposed to declare WAR also .. numnuts

@ Roberts
Bernie replies;
Both houses of the legislation branch must approve all spending. Budgets, wars, deficit spending, increase in deficit spending and so on. Executive branch can only submit a proposal for acceptance.

@ Rees, speaking of rhetoric, I just figured you were asking a rhetorical question, one by which you were making a political statement, and not really looking for an answer.

But my understanding of civics tells me when the congress submits a (Paul Ryan) budget, and the Senate (Harry Reid) submits no budget, and the president submits a budget that receives ZERO votes, then the budget continues to stumble along at the inflated rate (basis adjustment) from the stimulus-porkulous bill, enacted under a Democrat congress. You remember the Dems in control of both houses, don't you? Dave Obey writing the porkulous bill, Pelosi telling us "We have to vote on the ObamaCare bill to find out what's in it!" Geez Rees, grab another cup of coffee or something. Not thinking too clearly today, are you? The Republicans in Congress will not be blamed for the bloated budget, record TRILLION dollar overruns, and trillions more of both accumulated and unfunded debts.

@Gearhead recently said:

"The Republicans in Congress will not be blamed for the bloated budget, record TRILLION dollar overruns, and trillions more of both accumulated and unfunded debts."

Your beloved G.W. Bush gave us those overruns. If you recall when Obama took office Obama was saddled with trillions and the economy was in the tank. Do you not remember this? That is a simple fact.

If you argue these simple points then your memory just wants to remember what it wants to. Simply that, nothing more.

Obama, given what Bush gave him to deal with, I believe did wonders. He prevented a world wide economic collapse. In my book, he deserves another 4 years just for that accomplishment.

You left out a fact or two, Rees, but who's counting?

Bushs' highest budget deficit was about 400B. I decried that at the time. A big part of it was adding prescription drug coverage to Medicare, something he never got any credit for. But it isn't the job of taxpayers to pay for old folks meds. Obama's first deficit was something like 1.3T and it has gotten worse every year. Over 6T of added debt since coming into office. Totally unsustainable. Mostly because the baseline got raised with the stimulus spending failure. Not to mention the failure of the President and Senate to get real about a budget. Based on my above post, the facts are indisputable. You have your eyes wide shut. Put Obama back in for another four years and watch what used to be your country evaporate before your own eyes.

nah! some are worried about their looks!

PaulPimentel ‏@PaulPimentel

Do these teabags on my hat make me look fat? #p2 #wiunion #mapoli #ThingsHeardAtRNCConventionToday

Mornimist - thinking teabagging again? You are so original.

When you tilt your head, does it sound like a water stick?

John Zywicke
Bernie replies;
Agree although they are more in line with their present financial plans as a return to Bush/ Hoover polices. Returns on investments not good.
Santa Clara and Valkanov attribute the difference in returns to the stock markets being systematically and positively surprised to discover that democratic polices in a 80 year time frame of quantifiable data, are the best economic stewards for the nation. Differences are substantial.
Democrats had a respectable average return of 9.6% as when compared to republicans 0.58% average returns. If an employee’s 401[K] plan was fully invested in stocks at a value of $100,000, at the beginning of the employee’s 40 years of labor, apply this to both parties for returns.
Republicans Nest egg would have accumulated $224,375.
Democrates Nest Egg would have accumulated $ 3,912,210.
Now at $5,000, initial nest egg investment.
Republicans Nest Egg would have accumulated $126,027.
Democrats Nest Egg would have accumulated $1,985,526.
‘The Presidential puzzle; Political Cycles and the stock market” Accessed December 14 2011 http://personal.anderson.ucla.edu/rossen.valkanov/Politics.pdf and the journal of finance, Vol.LVIII, no.5October 2003
Lowest spending in 60 years. Obama..;http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/ Nobel Prize Awarded site

Again, WOW. It has gotten so bad for your side you have to resort to hysterics to get votes. No one is throwing granny under the bus. No-one is creating concentration camps. The only one cutting Medicare is Barack Hussein Obama to pay for his costly Obama-care.

You have not one good thing to credit Obama with, so you resort to the same stupidity as your tried to do with Governor Walker. It didn't work for you then because the voters saw the truth for themselves, and it won't work for you this time either.

Face it, your fearless leader has done nothing for this country, and does not deserve another four year!

John Zywicke = What An Idiot!

True a little over wrought.

Tea Bagger conservatives can't stand the truth, that's why they want Rommel/Lyin'

a quiet conservative, the economy crashed on George W. Bush's watch and you are blaming Barack Obama for the rubble.

Some of us actually do remember the pre-Obama years, you know...

Well then Bren, as a student of history, you would also remember that the foundation for that crash was set in the Clinton years, when he and the democratic congress forced the banking industry to loosen lending requirements to allow more lower income home purchases.

Or is your memory selective?

Terry, I'd say the trouble started in the 1960s with raids on Social Security to pay for the Vietnam War and accelerated from there. It may have started even earlier. This situation has been brewing for decades but was accelerated by decisions made by the Bush administration.

If you are referring to CRA, this was not the Pandora's box. A number of issues led to the housing crisis over time.

It was accelerated by decisions on both sides, and for decades. The mismanagement of our budget and economy has been very much a equal opportunity problem.

It is no more fair to blame the inherited problem on Obama than it is to blame it on bush. Where they both deserve criticism, is their inability to solve the problem. And as such, time for someone else to try.

You got that backwards Bush left the Biggest Debt Legacy, living on a credit card.

Lots of 'contributors', from both government and the private sector, to the housing crisis. While legislation does get 'tweaked' along the way, the main core philosophical changes or 'tipping points' in the legislation that cumulatively 'became the housing crisis' as we know it, and the President that approved them: LBJ removing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from the US balance sheet to hide the costly Vietnam war. Carter, the Community reinvestment Act. Clinton and the elimination of Glass-Steagall Act.

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Now at $5,000, initial nest egg investment.
Republicans Nest Egg would have accumulated $126,027.
Democrats Nest Egg would have accumulated $1,985,526.
Page one continued.
‘The Presidential puzzle; Political Cycles and the stock market” Accessed December 14 2011 http://personal.anderson.ucla.edu/rossen.valkanov/Politics.pdf and the journal of finance, Vol.LVIII, no.5October 2003
In addition;http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/ Nobel Prize Awarded site
Which supports Debt To GDP figures. Last 4 years of Bush attributed 20.7% to debt to GDP. Obama of the 3 years has a Debt to GDP of 15.1%. A reduction to debt of 5.6% in spite of all the sabotaging efforts’ of the republicans. { Hostage/Ransom} scenarios.
Their present republican financial planning is similar to Herbert Hoover/ Bush…? Returning us once again to failed policies.
Study presented by;
Pedro Santa-Clara
Nova School of Business and Economics; National Bureau of Economic Research
(NBER); Centre for Economic Policy Research (CEPR)
Rossen I. Valkanov
University of California, San Diego (UCSD) - Rady School of Management

@Bernard,

That study has already been debunked in several places. Barron's has already reported that the study depends on chance happenings as well as sample selectivity. Another study indicates that returns from investment cycles are spread out over 6 years, and the first year is wasted due to the time it takes to get bills passed.

Johnny Z - if you want tea bagging, Mornimist might be game.

Bernie, you should hang up your keyboard. You make little sense.

(One more time, with the samelink to the OMB document on the White House website
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist.pdf )

YEAR ------ TOTAL SPENT ---% INCREASE
----------------(in millions)
2008 ..........2,982,544 .............9.30% (last year of Bush)
2009 ..........3,517,677 ...........17.94% (transition budget with TARP & ARRA)
2010 ..........3,456,213 ............-1.75% (first Obama budget)
(still higher than 2008 by 15.88%)
2011 ..........3,603,061 .............4.25%
2012 ..........3,795,547 .............5.34% (estimate)

Ima, did the link work for you?

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Steagall Act was a reduction in banking government banking regulation. Laws on books if enforced could have prevented the collapse. Government hands off was the motto of the republicans. Ignoring abuses and micro collapses being illuminated around them. It can be argued that total control of the government was for six years was in the hands of the republicans that could have taken action to remedy the failures as they arose. They did not! Contrary; Paulson Secretary of the Treasury, opened a derivative fund by bundling up toxic mortgages and sold them through Goldman Sach, his X employment as CEO, as a winning bet and on the backside was shorting the bets as they came pouring in. Conflict of interest? Nah not on Wall Street, busyness as usual, under regulations that were being ignored.
Obama passed the Volker rule to reign in the banks under the regulations to enforce banks from proceeding their reckless investments. Frank Dodd produced a formula as to what reckless investments were to plausible sound investments. Republicans strenuously opposed! Obama’s regulations on derivative trading was attacked by the republicans with $350 Million to lobbyist to derail it. May 2010 it was finally passed. Republicans refuse to allow funds for its operation.
Presently the republicans are once again advocating a return to the laissez-faire, government hands off policies. Benefiting the wealthy few and imperiling of the many.